Shooting at French Satirical Magazine

cheesyboy said:
Surely the guy you're referring to did, in effect, say "not in our name"??

He called it "insanity" and pointed out how the real Islam and the way of the Prophet was not at all in line with the actions in France today.
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Zoomee's MO:

1) No true scotsman
2) Race/bigot card
3) "but, but, but other religions"
 
Freefaller said:
I have to say I agree.

We desperately need the Muslim community to shout "not in our/my name".

We need them to stand up against their leaders who promote and encourage this.
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'They' did and ALWAYS do condemn these atrocities. Problem is the media does not highlight this, but instead gives airtime to the other nutcases who are against the majority peaceful Muslims. THIS is where the real problem lies.

Glad to see the usual OCUK bigots are all in this thread though ;) (not you Freefaller lol, all the usual ones crying for me to make a stance yet ignored my first post stating "It's not in our/my name" as you would like to term it).
 
Will21st said:
I am consistent,I suggest you go back to Zomee's post and re-read.I don't see outright condemnation,but rather more apologies and excuses for a political Ideology that allows for the events that transpired today.

The problem is Islam,plain and simple.It's a backward ideology and has no place in the modern,secular world.
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It's not though - it's people that use Islam as an excuse, and have skewed it to give them an excuse to do things to hide behind a megalomania induced by leaders who want power. That's all it is, it has nothing to do with religion.

Nearly 1/4 of the world's population follow Islam. If all of Islam were like this the world would be severely low in population. So clearly it isn't Islam that is the problem, but a select few power hungry madmen. Just like any other dictators they will carry on until they are knocked off their perch. No different to other power hungry leaders who are Christian/Muslim/Non Religious. It's about power.

It's sad that we haven't evolved further.
 
Deep said:
This is an issue I have, we don't have British Muslim leaders coming out and condemning attacks. They stay quite quiet.
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Freefaller said:
I have to say I agree.

We desperately need the Muslim community to shout "not in our/my name".
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I think they did about three hours ago since they would the closest thing that comes close to describing "leaders"

https://twitter.com/muslimcouncil

http://www.mcb.org.uk/charlie-hebdo-attack/

We condemn the attack on #CharlieHebdo Whomever the attackers are, and whatever the cause may be, nothing justifies the taking of life
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Not meant to solve anything. To solve it you either.

Destroy it
Educate the idiots
Find a new planet and ship them off there.
Ring fence any Islamic nation and controlled the borders with large guns.

Simply put it am tired of it, I am tired of not being able to mention Islam in anything but a positive light. I am from the west it has no meaning for me, everything it stands for disgusts me to the core. Yet because of this i am termed a bigot. Enough is enough, yet again it is the tolerant being taken for granted by the intolerant.
 
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Craterloads said:
Apologies if I am mistaken, but weren't you the guy who was suspended for promoting genocide, "final solution" of Muslims? And the nuclear bombing of the entire middle east?
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Genocide? Amazing what you read into my comments... and no,I didn't promote nuking the middle east. Nice baiting,though.

How about as a Muslim you concern yourself more with what happened in the name of your religion? Any demonstration or such protest planned to condemn this atrocity?
 
Von Smallhausen said:
Have a word with yourself. Tarring all Muslims with the same brush is exactly what extremists want.

To suggest all Muslims preach death and destruction is simply not true.
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Although you are right, the percentage of Muslims who are radicalized is very high, 15-25%, doesn't sound a lot? Lets put this in perceptive.

 
Jesus said to love your enemies, even to death. We are not a Christian nation in the true sense while we operate within war, infact we are quite clearly becoming more and more a completely Godless nation.

Why can God not just appear and tell us all? Leave us freewill though let everyone know the truth; that this world is going to burn, as it says in all the major faiths scripture.

Evil men have used God as an excuse for their own need/greed, exactly what I would do if I were the spirit of the antichrist.
 
That ******** video of them executing the policeman as he asks to spare his life, shows everything we need to know about the religion of peace. I hope the police return the favour when they're caught.

Why was there no mention of this on the news? I can understand them editing it out but why not explain what happened?
 
slick rick said:
Do we not live in an era of science and reason? Can we not live good lives based on morals and human decency? Do we need religion, a relic from times long gone by to exist in the 21st century?

All these different religions based on nothing but ancient texts and stories from a time long before science existed to give meaning to things that were little understood and then used to brainwash and control the populous.

Which one of these numerous religions is right, they cant all be surly? It just creates a seizing mass of conflicting ideologies that leads to hatred and death.

Religion should be consigned to history, are people really still this naïve to believe in it, and spill blood in the name of it?
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zoomee said:
'They' did and ALWAYS do condemn these atrocities. Problem is the media does not highlight this, but instead gives airtime to the other nutcases who are against the majority peaceful Muslims. THIS is where the real problem lies.
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I know this, but that's the point, it's not seen enough - we need prolific leaders to condemn this sort of behaviour - unfortunately, there is so much blind rage now that people will be quick to ignore the cries. With nearly 2bn Muslims in the world it's hard to believe that these messages aren't going through :( I'm just so fed up of the leaders spouting this hate and intolerance.

Don't get me wrong, I think insulting/taking the mick out of people's religion is unfair, but at the same time, satire/comedy is that, it's designed to be contentious. There are so many racial, socio-political and other type of jokes that are so on the edge of acceptability but it doesn't lead to cold blooded murder. If you can't look at it dispassionately then you really need to start being less uptight.

If everyone took every joke to heart we'd all be exterminated by now!

Glad to see the usual OCUK bigots are all in this thread though ;) (not you Freefaller lol, all the usual ones crying for me to make a stance yet ignored my first post stating "It's not in our/my name" as you would like to term it).
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The problem is people don't understand, and as soon as you don't understand you naturally become defensive. And the more defensive you become the harder it is for you to dig yourself out of your trenches.

I just see this getting a lot worse in France before it gets any better. :(
 
robgmun said:
Although you are right, the percentage of Muslims who are radicalized is very high, 15-25%, doesn't sound a lot? Lets put this in perceptive.

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Im sorry but to say "15-25% according to all intelligence agencies" and not back it up just throw it out there is complete rubbish.

That girl was clearly upset asking that question and that woman went at her.
 
cheesyboy said:
In any case, you too have not outright condemned the event, instead favouring to condemn the religion of Islam in every post you have made.
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I have made my disgust with what happened clear, unless RIP and OMG :(:(:( doesn't qualify.

Anyway, it should be obvious that anyone would condemn this unbelievable atrocity unless... let's not go there.
 
Freefaller said:
That's all it is, it has nothing to do with religion.
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Gunmen shoot 15+ people whilst shouting "god is great", over pictures of a prophet, and you say this has nothing to do with religion?

The Quran promotes the death of "blasphemers", now whilst most religious people choose to ignore this, don't pretend it's not the problem of religion.
 
Will21st said:
The problem is Islam,plain and simple.It's a backward ideology and has no place in the modern,secular world.
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Wrong. The problem is Islamic extremists, plain and simple.
Blaming a whole religion for the acts of a minority of that belief (and calling for the wiping out of said religions like some have alluded to) is, quite frankly, stupid.

But I have come to expect nothing less from certain topics in GD so I can't say I'm suprised by some of the comments here..
 
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