Shooting at French Satirical Magazine

SPG · 7 Jan 2015 at 15:29

Good for them, I am going buy more shares in drone making companies.

Freefaller · 7 Jan 2015 at 15:30

BuffetSlayer said:
Religion is involved, yes. But it is the excuse that those controlling these men use to maintain their own power.

It always boils down to power and control and religion is an easy thing to use, particulalry when many people in Islamic countries are poorly educated.

However, it would not surprise me if these two men were mercanaries. Guns for hire that fight for any 'cause' as long as the money is good.

I don't disagree with that and I fear you are probably right.

The way they behaved seemed very well trained/mercenary like to me

Vulcan · 7 Jan 2015 at 15:31

Freefaller said:
A religion is a group of people, nearly 2bn people worldwide. I think it is unfair to tarnish them with that same brush.

Tarnish them with what brush? The evil in the Quran in right there to see. I stated in my original post that most ignore it, but some follow it, and when they do you can't give that religion a free pass.

Craterloads · 7 Jan 2015 at 15:31

Will21st said:
I was and said so... if you want to take that as promotion of genocide that's up to you.

Are you confused?, you just accused me of baiting and now have admitted for calling for a genocide / gas chambering Muslims.

dowie · 7 Jan 2015 at 15:32

Freefaller said:
How can the leadership not understand that satire is supposed to be close to the wind in terms of being slightly contentious. Yes it's not nice having something you believe in insulted, but if I took offence to everything that offended me, and was that way inclined, I'd be held guilty for genocide!

This is the problem, is that it has been skewed way out of proportion.

It's is inherent to the religion though... death to those who insult the prophet... While moderates will condemn murders and will cite the cop out that Muslims should respect the laws of the land they live in you'll not find so many who will actually criticise the idea that under Islamic law the penalty is death. Look what happened when one Liberal Democrat MP mentioned that he wasn't bothered about a Jesus and mo cartoon... one of his fellow Liberal Democrat Muslims ostracised him in the press, stated that people in Pakistan would be informed about his comments (a country where such comments can get you killed by an angry mob)... Even the moderates aren't moderate on this issue, most Muslims are very irrational when it comes to insulting the prophet and it will send plenty into a bit of a rage... So called 'moderates' want our laws changed so that it becomes an offence to do so.

These are wider issues that are a problem with Islam in general... until there are fundamental changes in how it is interpreted/practiced even among moderates then there will stil be plenty of the outlier cases of people taking it to the extremes.

Cosimo · 7 Jan 2015 at 15:32

How awful, RIP

Hope they catch the evil perpetrators of this heinous deed and guillotine all of them.

dirtychinchilla · 7 Jan 2015 at 15:32

Will21st said:
link? source?

Source for the existence of moderate Muslims? You're clearly a bit dense.

RIP French people. I hope they catch these idiots.

Gerard · 7 Jan 2015 at 15:33

Westyfield2 said:
Sky News are showing the police execution video but blanking out the nasty bit.

Basically the terrorists had already shot the Police officer at distance and he's lying on the ground in a bad way. They then walk up and shoot him in the head. And then get in the car and drive off.

Actually the shot seems to miss, you see something pinging off the ground a few feet ahead of him as he fires. The Policeman hit a few times previous to that

Craterloads · 7 Jan 2015 at 15:34

What language were the gunmen speaking, French?

Freefaller · 7 Jan 2015 at 15:34

Will21st said:
link? source?

Don't need it, look at the fact that there are 25% of the world's population, of which 24.9999999999% of them live in harmony in Western and Eastern civilisations, and go to school, abide by the law, have the same jobs as you and I, and are just part of society.

Talk to your Muslim friends or colleagues and speak to them about their faith. The hundreds of Muslim people I know, of which some I lived with for a while all behave just like a regular teenage/20something/30something/40something group of people. Most don't drink or eat pork, but most will be so normal and unspectacular you wouldn't even realise they were Muslim. They take the mick out of themselves and others as we all do - some are even white OMG!!!111

Just because they follow Islam doesn't make them weird or strange or different - in fact I'm sure you probably know more Muslims than you realise - some of us keep our religions to ourselves because it is a private thing.

Crpwned · 7 Jan 2015 at 15:34

robgmun said:
When people slip from christian to extremism the worse we get today is the Westboro Baptist Church

When people slip from Islam into extremism, genocide happens and hundreds of thousands of people die. And you tell me Islam isn't a problem? I remain unconvinced.

So because a few extremists from one religion commited this atrocity it means that everyone who follows this religion is also some kind of loony ready to commit mass murder?
If so then surely all Christians are homosexual-hating bigots going by the WBC's examples?

Or are you willing to conceed that the acts of a minority don't reflect the views and thoughts of a majority?

Don't get me wrong, this is a horribly tragic event and I wish nothing but pain and suffering for those who orchestrated it. But to tar a whole religion with the same brush because of it isn't right in my views.

robgmun · 7 Jan 2015 at 15:35

Will21st said:
Hopefully they'll be caught soon... though I'm sure if they did shoot up a school the apologists would still be quick to tell us how that has nothing to do with Islam.... Muhammed loved children,after all.

If they shoot up a school, Mosques would burn to be frank

Vulcan · 7 Jan 2015 at 15:36

Craterloads said:
What language were the gunmen speaking, French?

Yes, perfect French.

AtreuS · 7 Jan 2015 at 15:37

robgmun said:
If they shoot up a school, Mosques would burn to be frank

Mosques may burn anyway, this is an attack on the french and they dont tend to do the sit down protest like we do... they tend to burn things down.

scorza · 7 Jan 2015 at 15:38

jmc007 said:
The Bible tells us of the constant battle between the children of Ishmael and the children of Isaac, untill the end.

B.t.w. If you consider yourself a Christian you are grafted into the heritage promised to the descendants of Abraham.

Sadly that's exactly how I see it. Unfortunately only one side has wholeheartedly committed to the battle and it ain't the side I'm on.

robgmun said:
If they shoot up a school, Mosques would burn to be frank

Nah, we in the west are too decadent and torpid to do anything like that.

Vulcan · 7 Jan 2015 at 15:38

Freefaller said:
Don't need it, look at the fact that there are 25% of the world's population, of which 24.9999999999% of them live in harmony in Western and Eastern civilisations, and go to school, abide by the law, have the same jobs as you and I, and are just part of society.

Okay, but the religious doctrine still calls for the death of blasphemers. So how is the religion not at fault?

Craterloads · 7 Jan 2015 at 15:39

"Still no terrorist attack in France", and the terrorist says "Wait, we have until the end of january to present our wishes"

Well the guy who drew that one is dead now, what was the point :confused:

Zbornak · 7 Jan 2015 at 15:41

Gerard said:
Actually the shot seems to miss, you see something pinging off the ground a few feet ahead of him as he fires. The Policeman hit a few times previous to that

Yes, you're right. I'm starting to think (and hope) that the officer in that video wasn't actually shot in the head and perhaps he played dead. Apparently the two officers that tragically lost their lives were guarding the front door of the building. It's not nice to speculate but I'd rather the officer in the video survived so as to lessen the propaganda effect that it has.

lemonade · 7 Jan 2015 at 15:41

matdom said:
if this happen in the US there would be revenge attacks, the problem Europe they are to laid back to do any proper revenge attacks.

revenge attacks on who?

robgmun · 7 Jan 2015 at 15:41

Crpwned said:
So because a few extremists from one religion commited this atrocity it means that everyone who follows this religion is also some kind of loony ready to commit mass murder?

Again i say this, it's way more then just a few now isn't it? Surely you cannot be that blind?

If so then surely all Christians are homosexual-hating bigots going by the WBC's examples?

As far as i'm aware they haven't killed anyone yet? Yes being homosexual-hating bigots is as bad as the ISIS *******s the head and hand chopping there way across the middle-east

Or are you willing to conceed that the acts of a minority don't reflect the views and thoughts of a majority?

The Peaceful Majority?TM (Sic) They minority grows larger every year. And the majority gets more irrelevant every year, they have allowed themselves to become irrelevant, either by ignorance or silently agreeing with the extreme minority

Don't get me wrong, this is a horribly tragic event and I wish nothing but pain and suffering for those who orchestrated it. But to tar a whole religion with the same brush because of it isn't right in my views.

The religion as a whole needs a good hard look at itself.