FreeSync monitors hit mass production, coming in Jan-Feb

[ICDP]

Still need hardware capable
They can write a driver, it's no good without the hardware.

No reason why ALL future GPU hardware cannot use it and become standard. You know, the way GPUs used to come with VGA connectors only but eventually moved to DVI, HDMI and DP. This way one single monitor fits ALL GPU vendors.

Your argument only works if we assume tech stands still and never evolves. It really boils down to a short list of logical conclusions.

• Gsync does not have the ability to become a standard because it is proprietary. For this reason Gsync will always be niche.
• Gsync is more costly to implement than DP variable sync/vblank.
• Variable Sync/vblank does have the ability to become standard because it is open to all vendors. Intel, Nvidia, AMD, Matrox (do they still exist ). You get my point.
• VESA Variable sync/vblank with DP1.2 and 1.3 (and all future iterations of DP), is here to stay and IS a standard (the clue is in the name VESA) and from what I can see is already gaining more traction than gsync.

Franky I cannot fathom how anyone would turn this into a Green vs Red fight and automatically jump on the Gsync FTW crap. Why would anyone not want a one size fits all standard, so one STANDARD monitor will work to its full capabilities with ANY future GPU?

 

[Martini1991]

I'm fully aware of the situation.
I was posting a fact on current situation, that it's not as simple as just writing a driver.

I've said multiple times about Nvidia having no real issue with support from later generations. Along with Intel etc.

I just wish it was a mandatory standard

 

[ICDP]

Why does Nvidia almost always try (and regularly succeed) to fragment the GPU community with their proprietary crap?

I know they are a business and profit trumps all, but why do the Nvidia fans lap it up so readily?

 

[ICDP]

I'm fully aware of the situation.
I was posting a fact on current situation, that it's not as simple as just writing a driver.

I've said multiple times about Nvidia having no real issue with support from later generations. Along with Intel etc.

I just wish it was a mandatory standard

True about the present situation, apologies. I agree that if it was a mandatory standard with all future DP port equipped monitors we would not be having this debate.

 

[Martini1991]

Pass.

 

[PCM2]

Genuine non trolling question.

Do Freesync displays have something similar to the ULMB stuff on G-Sync monitors?

Since the majority are 60Hz with relatively lax response times, they wouldn't make use of such technology even if it were possible. The flickering would be horrendous - which is why you don't find ULMB on 60Hz displays. For the 120Hz/144Hz options, the BenQ at least offers 'Motion Blur Reduction'. That's a strobe backlight mode which from my testing is superior to ULMB anyway as it doesn't have such noticeable artifacts and can operate at 144Hz.

I mentioned this on a thread on the monitor forum, but I don't personally see the 40Hz floor as a huge issue. I personally can't stand the lack of fluidity at such low frame rates anyway, regardless of whether a variable refresh rate is used. I agree it would be a nice bonus to have a larger operating range anyway, but it's always advantageous to keep your frame rate as high as possible. The dips from 60fps to ~40fps are made as painless as possible with a variable refresh rate, but some people seem to think that the technology will make 40fps feel like 60fps - which is not true.

I personally like the technology for smoothing out those dips a bit below 60fps, say 45-60fps. But everyone has different sensitivities and there are no hard and fast rules - except in this case, where <40fps will be normal VSync on or off.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Why do people think Drivers are magic?

Begins with a big I and ends in a little e

 

[Sin_Chase]

No reason why ALL future GPU hardware cannot use it and become standard. You know, the way GPUs used to come with VGA connectors only but eventually moved to DVI, HDMI and DP. This way one single monitor fits ALL GPU vendors.

Your argument only works if we assume tech stands still and never evolves. It really boils down to a short list of logical conclusions.

• Gsync does not have the ability to become a standard because it is proprietary. For this reason Gsync will always be niche.
• Gsync is more costly to implement than DP variable sync/vblank.
• Variable Sync/vblank does have the ability to become standard because it is open to all vendors. Intel, Nvidia, AMD, Matrox (do they still exist ). You get my point.
• VESA Variable sync/vblank with DP1.2 and 1.3 (and all future iterations of DP), is here to stay and IS a standard (the clue is in the name VESA) and from what I can see is already gaining more traction than gsync.

Franky I cannot fathom how anyone would turn this into a Green vs Red fight and automatically jump on the Gsync FTW crap. Why would anyone not want a one size fits all standard, so one STANDARD monitor will work to its full capabilities with ANY future GPU?

Uhhhhm.....you do realise Adaptive-Sync in the VESA standard does absolutely nothing in itself? Adaptive-Sync is not a G-SYNC solution. Adaptive-Sync is the FOUNDATION on which FreeSync works.

You don't plug in to an Adaptive-Sync monitor and all of a sudden have a variable refresh rate solution for smooth gaming. It's FreeSync which is offering that, not Adaptive-Sync.

Without a SPECIFIC (IE Vendor based) implementation for GAMING Adaptive-Sync is worthless as a gaming technology.

People need to stop blowing this open standards trumpet. The Adaptive-Sync feature of VESA DisplayPort IS an open standard. FreeSync is not an open standard, it's as proprietary as G-SYNC is.

If you don't believe me - Straight form the horses mouth:

http://support.amd.com/en-us/search/faq/214#

DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync is an ingredient DisplayPort feature that enables real-time adjustment of monitor refresh rates required by technologies like Project FreeSync. Project FreeSync is a unique AMD hardware/software solution that utilizes DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync protocols to enable user-facing benefits: smooth, tearing-free and low-latency gameplay and video.​

http://support.amd.com/en-us/search/faq/215

Is DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync the industry-standard version of Project FreeSync?

​The DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync specification was ported from the Embedded DisplayPort specification through a proposal to the VESA group by AMD. DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync is an ingredient feature of a DisplayPort link and an industry standard that enables technologies like Project FreeSync.​

AKA No, it's not. They are different things.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Why do people still say Vblank. That was only ever mentioned at the beggining from when it birthed from EDPs VBI.

Bunch of hippies. Blind following the blind

 

[andybird123]

Nvm

 

[Martini1991]

Nvidia would require their own proprietary method of doing what AMD does with Freesync with the adaptive sync standard, but I thought that was common knowledge ?

 

[andybird123]

After one year: G-Sync

Acer
Asus
AOC
Philips
BenQ


Free-Sync as of Jan 2015

BenQ
LG
Nixeus
Samsung
ViewSinic

Free-Sync isn't even out yet ^^^^

Erm... Freesync was first announced a few months after gsync
Also, none ofnthose monitors on the freesync side are available to buy yet, with some notneven having a firm released date attached

When gsync was announced, all of the gsync manufacturers announced they were going support, so it is the same situation we are now in with freesync

 

[Silent_Scone]

Nvidia would require their own proprietary method of doing what AMD does with Freesync with the adaptive sync standard, but I thought that was common knowledge ?

Let's not be coy. You can sum up this débâcle in just a few short words.

NVIDIA G-Sync requires you to have an Nvidia GPU

Adaptive Sync is requested by AMD, they name their own driven base FreeSync.


People see the word free, they instinctively jump out of their chair and pull what can only be described as the smug chin look

Months later they spend (free?) money on a new dp1.2a compliant panel.


Tell it like it is, like it is, like it is

 

[Martini1991]

Let's not be coy. You can sum up this débâcle in just a few short words.

NVIDIA G-Sync requires you to have an Nvidia GPU

Adaptive Sync is requested by AMD, they name their own driven base FreeSync.


People see the word free, they instinctively jump out of their chair and pull what can only be described as the smug chin look

There's definitely a crap ton of misconceptions etc.
Guess we'll see how the lanscape is in the next few years

Doesn't bother me whether Nvidia adopt Adaptive Sync and create their own implementation or not, as long as there's plenty of monitor options.

Likewise with AMD and Adaptive Sync with their Freesync implementation.

 

[LambChop]

hold on, 40-60hz ? LOL

No wonder there were no demo's of it till near release time.

 

[Silent_Scone]

There's definitely a crap ton of misconceptions etc.
Guess we'll see how the lanscape is in the next few years

Doesn't bother me whether Nvidia adopt Adaptive Sync and create their own implementation or not, as long as there's plenty of monitor options.

Likewise with AMD and Adaptive Sync with their Freesync implementation.

That's the point to reiterate. I don't think many Nvidia owners are at all bothered. You're not targeting AMD users with G-Sync. People strongly ignore this fact and I think it gets overshadowed by customer loyalty. I doubt many consumers will be swayed either way based on either.

 

[drunkenmaster]

hold on, 40-60hz ? LOL

No wonder there were no demo's of it till near release time.

Jesus christ with your constant misinformed purposefully misleading trolling.

ON a screen with a 60hz max that is the max, on the BenQ the range is not surprisingly 30-144Hz.

Why the mods don't do anything about you when almost every one of your posts is inaccurate and trolling I don't know. I've not seen you anywhere on the forum do anything but troll.

 

[layte]

*snip*

That's good to know. The blur reduction stuff interests me as much as the adaptive sync shenanigans. When I go from gaming on my Plasma back to the LCD the blur jumps out.

Edit: Irony, thy name is post #337

 

[ICDP]

Nvidia would require their own proprietary method of doing what AMD does with Freesync with the adaptive sync standard, but I thought that was common knowledge ?

Which would then work on a standard DP1.3 monitor with adaptive sync. That's the point, one monitor tech fits all GPU vendors. This is not about the GPU vendor's method of supporting such a monitor, it is about having one single monitor tech that fits all vendors.

Nvidia call it gsync 2.0
AMD call it freesync
Intel call it something else.

Fragmenting the already niche GPU community over monitor tech is not helping the consumer. At least AMD have adopted the VESA Standard (there's that word again".

 

[Mei]

its dam confusing for anyone buying a gpu right now that's for sure lol
i think anyone wanting pc gaming to thrive once again they should be trying to made it easier for the noobs