Shooting at French Satirical Magazine

Islam is supposed to be about peace etc
Extreme Islam = Extreme peace? Nope...******* nutters, every last one of them.
going mental over cartoons is insane...these guys should be strung up
 
TheBDog said:
Assumptions (possibly more than that) were made that it was racially motivated. Plus, do crazy killers always honestly admit their justifications for these things? More than that, if you're so unhinged that you'd do something like this then surely whatever your motivations have been twisted and perverted. Surely it doesn't matter what they stated?! :confused:
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Yesterday's killers did. Revenge act against those that they believed to have insulted their faith.

In the Lawrence case, not so much.
 
BuffetSlayer said:
Islam is simply the overarching subject for these people, and it is used to manipulate and indoctrinate many men who have fire in their belly over what they see as injustice. Many will be poorly educated and looking for an outlet and jump at the chance when promised a better life, and importantly promised justice. In some cases you can understand their hate. If your family is blown up by a mis-aimed missile fired by 'the west' you would be angry too. In that regard I do not think you can ever say western foreign policy has not been a huge catalyst to radicalising men into an extreme brand of Islam.

Others will just be trouble makers who like fighting and killing and doing it in the name of Islam is a convenient outlet.

Others will be disenfranchised and manipulated by other Muslims who are operating on an agenda and care not a jot for the men fighting for them as long as they do as they are told (or face the consequences). Indeed we often see this dynamic in gang culture in this country, for example.

Others will just be guns for hire who can talk the talk but are only interested in the end game - how much they get paid and not dying.

ISIS use their particular brand of Islam as a means to an end. Their leaders want their own territory where they make the rules and live like kings. For them to do this, the people in their way have to submit or die and they also need an army willing to die for a cause. Crucially, that cause does not need to be the true cause of the fighting (power, greed etc). If you give someone a purpose and you give them a cause they will die for you have a perfect army. It does not matter if their cause is not the true cause of their leaders, it only matters that they believe it is. In this respect Islam is a perfect tool because it is easy to mis-represent it to those who are looking to belong, who are disillusioned and suffering and who may not have the upbringing and education to question it. ISIS are an example of what happens when anyone with an extremist bigoted/racist/sexist/xenophobic agenda comes to the fore. The only difference is the name shouted when they pull the trigger (For Allah, for King and Country, for the Fuhrer etc etc). As an example, what would happen if the BNP were the total power in this country? They control the army, the police and had an army of angry bigots armed to the teeth and willing to pull the trigger. Would our Muslim population be safe?

What ISIS are doing is no different to what the Romans did, or indeed what the British have done in our colonial days, or what Hitler did. It is a promise of a better tomorrow, and a promise of justice. That is not to say I condone it, but to simply highlight it is nothing new.

The problem is when you have two sides who believe to the death that they are right, you will have war and killing till the end of time until one gives in or is wiped out.

Such is the nature of man, unfortunately. We are both the most intelligent and equally the most ridiculously stupid species on the planet. But it is a tale as old as time itself, and blaming Islam for the acts of those who use it as a tool is short sighted. It is, as it always has been, about the people at the top of their chain getting land, money and power.
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This person understands!
 
I have lost count over the number of anti-war marches in this country. People up in arms over government intervention in places like Iraq. We have demonstrations over the actions of Israel.

One thing I have never seen is any sort of protests from Muslims concerning Muslim related terrorism.
 
deuse said:
Love to see them do it. But they won't.
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Are you on the streets protesting when Western countries kill innocent children in drone strikes, saying "not in my name!"?

Or are you one of those who say "well it's not very nice, but it's collateral damage"?
 
spudbynight said:
I have lost count over the number of anti-war marches in this country. People up in arms over government intervention in places like Iraq. We have demonstrations over the actions of Israel.

One thing I have never seen is any sort of protests from Muslims concerning Muslim related terrorism.
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Perhaps fear of reprisal from extremist individuals in the community?

Not making excuses for their lack of vocal opposition, just pondering.
 
wordy said:
Are you on the streets protesting when Western countries kill innocent children in drone strikes, saying "not in my name!"?

Or are you one of those who say "well it's not very nice, but it's collateral damage"?
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The thing is there are people protesting, very visibly, over the use of drone strikes.
 
spudbynight said:
You seem to have missed the entire point that was made and then challenged <sigh>

The Church didn't kill people over heresy. Secular authorities killed people for heresy.
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And Hitler/the Nazi party didn't kill people - it was guards at concentration camps who actually did the killing...


The church did execute people for heresy... they might not have had a priest light the bonfire but that is a mute point.
 
seriously cant get my head around the fact that these religious people are so brainwashed they think there is some magic man in the sky. I think religion is a serious drain on the evolution of humanity, we don't need fictional stories anymore, we have science and technology for the answers now. WAKE UP world
 
wordy said:
Are you on the streets protesting when Western countries kill innocent children in drone strikes, saying "not in my name!"?
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I'd love to dude but I can't walk. Tell you what, you can carry me on the next one you got to? now that's a plan.



Email in trust.
 
Terminal_Boy said:
Yesterday's killers did. Revenge act against those that they believed to have insulted their faith.

In the Lawrence case, not so much.
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This feels a little like it's going in circles...

The majority should not be condemned by the actions of individuals just because you happen to believe that their ONLY motivation is religious and because you happen to believe that the entire Muslim community condones the attacks because you, personally, are not happy with the community's response to the acts.

As long as it's still feasible that their refusal to apologise on behalf of a few extremists is because people like you will continue to lump them all in the same boat, then we should give them the benefit of the doubt surely?
 
dowie said:
And Hitler/the Nazi party didn't kill people - it was guards at concentration camps who actually did the killing...


The church did execute people for heresy... they might not have had a priest light the bonfire but that is a mute point.
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First of all it would be a moot point not a mute point.

Secondly your point doesn't stand up. Hitler ordered the killings in concentration camps - nobody in the Church ordered killings for heresy.

We had many people executed for heresy in this country. The people behind most of it? Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth.
 
dtokez said:
seriously cant get my head around the fact that these religious people are so brainwashed they think there is some magic man in the sky. I think religion is a serious drain on the evolution of humanity, we don't need fictional stories anymore, we have science and technology for the answers now. WAKE UP world
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I agree.
 
jmc007 said:
Real Christians, i.e. followers of Jesus Christ, do not kill people.
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Well no, that isn't correct. St. Augustine came up with the concept of a just war.

I think most people agree that the war against the Nazis was a just war. Are you suggesting those Christians who fought were not "real Christians"?
 
OldCoals said:
Ask them if they are Muslims, they will say they are.

Stop making excuses.
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You said they did it because they were Muslims, your words. Implying it was the reason, Muslims as I and many others have said countless times are not a single mono entity like the Borg collective.

Stop generalizing.
 
dtokez said:
seriously cant get my head around the fact that these religious people are so brainwashed they think there is some magic man in the sky. I think religion is a serious drain on the evolution of humanity, we don't need fictional stories anymore, we have science and technology for the answers now. WAKE UP world
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Western (Christian) society is abandoning religion at a much faster rate than the Muslim world, so as the religious disparity between East and West widens so do the differences in ideology and social values - we are simply "evolving" at different speeds and are becoming increasingly incompatible as we do so.
 
this_is_gav said:
You seriously expected a Muslim to hold a sign supporting members of a magazine which made a theme out of ridiculing their religion?

Perhaps expect Muslims to take part in the protests by all means, but be sensible. I wouldn't be surprised if Muslims didn't feel safe enough to take part to be honest.
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After what happened in Aus and the #we stand with you campaign i think you give white people too little credit
 
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