Shooting at French Satirical Magazine

Josh · 8 Jan 2015 at 13:39

dirtychinchilla said:
CS player.

Aye? Who is?

olivier renault · 8 Jan 2015 at 13:42

lemonade said:
Breivik did in the name of whites, to preserve the white race and fight the hordes of immigrants and those who back them. So going by certain peoples logic in this thread, all white people should be apologising and protesting.

It's not a question of race. Analogy doesn't apply. It's a question of ideology. Breivik couldn't be further from my agenda. Pretty much on equal footing with Islam fundamentalist, I suppose, or whichever death cult you'd care to mention.

Skunkworks · 8 Jan 2015 at 13:43

lemonade said:
Breivik did in the name of whites, to preserve the white race and fight the hordes of immigrants and those who back them. So going by certain peoples logic in this thread, all white people should be apologising and protesting.

True white people don't kill.

Above&Beyond · 8 Jan 2015 at 13:44

wordy said:
So you are ok with it then?

Fewer people are dying than if we went in on the ground, so yeah I'm ok with that. You offer no solution other than 'killing innocent people is bad!' which is an obvious truism.

Danthus · 8 Jan 2015 at 13:44

This is an interesting watch.

http://news.sky.com/video/1404306/sky-news-debate-freedom-of-speech

thep02 · 8 Jan 2015 at 13:45

StriderX said:
His was a purely political message, after all his only targets were Norwegian socialists.

I doubt it had much to do with White supremacy, considering most of his targets skin colour.

The children of Norwegian socialists, I think you just exceded the tensile strength of logic.

Westyfield2 · 8 Jan 2015 at 13:46

leaskovski said:
So they are heading back in to Paris after spending a night on the run to Reims? I wonder what they are trying to accomplish by heading back to Paris?

Suicide by cop

C.R.A.Z.Y · 8 Jan 2015 at 13:47

JOSH86 said:
Possibly, but he isn't wrong.

Actually he is wrong. Grouping like that with a well calibrated AK47 is actually very easy provided you have a half decent eye.

Here is some video evidence (remember I have NEVER shot an AK47 before in my life and don't do airgun,airsoft,paintball ..etc)

wordy · 8 Jan 2015 at 13:47

Above&Beyond said:
Fewer people are dying than if we went in on the ground, so yeah I'm ok with that.

Rroff · 8 Jan 2015 at 13:47

Noughtboy said:
Who ever fired these may be a nutter but that is a helluva tight grouping (looks like a triple tap). AK47 kicks like a bitch and is not particularly accurate. So, either this was pretty close range (7/8 metres) or this Jihadist spent some summer holidays in Syria/Lebanon/Nigeria/Sudan/Yemen/Algeria/Egypt/Libya/Afghanistan etc.

It was shot at from fairly close range (about 8-9 metres) from the videos I saw they were shooting single shot mostly there isn't anything that amazing about the impacts other than showing some degree of disciplined fire rather than spray and pray.

dirtychinchilla · 8 Jan 2015 at 13:48

lemonade said:
Breivik did in the name of whites, to preserve the white race and fight the hordes of immigrants and those who back them. So going by certain peoples logic in this thread, all white people should be apologising and protesting.

Yes, immigrants to Norway. I doubt he was complaining about the number of immigrants in Northern Ireland.

Above&Beyond · 8 Jan 2015 at 13:49

lemonade said:
Nonsense, more civilians have died in drone attacks then so called terrorists, and they are not all as a result of so called "collateral damage"!

Although drone strikes under Obama’s presidency have killed nearly six times as many people as were killed under Bush, the casualty rate – the number of people killed on average in each strike – has dropped from eight to six under Obama. The civilian casualty rate has fallen too. Strikes during the Bush years killed nearly more than three civilians in each strike on average. This has halved under Obama (1.43 civilians per strike on average). In fact reported civilian casualties in Pakistan have fallen sharply since 2010, with no confirmed reports of civilian casualties in 2013.

This is a war we are fighting. What other solution is there to defeating these terrorists? Ground troops where even more die from both sides? No. Negotiation? No. Drones are the best solution in a lot of these circumstances. You can't just rubbish the whole mission and appease the terrorists because mistakes are made.

Rroff · 8 Jan 2015 at 13:50

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Actually he is wrong. Grouping like that with a well calibrated AK47 is actually very easy provided you have a half decent eye.

Here is some video evidence (remember I have NEVER shot an AK47 before in my life and don't do airgun,airsoft,paintball ..etc)

To be fair you were taking your time between shots in a non-stressful environment

there is also a huge range in quality between ak47s due to the huge range of different manufacturers (though the point still stands if its decently calibrated).

olivier renault · 8 Jan 2015 at 13:50

Skunkworks said:
True white people don't kill.

No True Scotsman Fallacy? Or just being sarcastic. I don't consider myself or anyone 'true white'. There is no such thing anyway. Racist white supremacist, sure, there's plenty around.

If you like pin labels on people, try Liberal-Humanist-Democratic-Secular-Atheist. That's my flavor of the day in no particular order.

abui1806 · 8 Jan 2015 at 13:51

Jeez that's awful RIP

Above&Beyond · 8 Jan 2015 at 13:51

wordy said:

Again you offer no solution. It's just insincere condolences for people you don't know. If not drones pinpointing strikes then what? Tanks? Troops? Fighter jets dropping bombs?

Terminal_Boy · 8 Jan 2015 at 13:53

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Clearly you have never shot a real AK47 before!! They are scarily accurate, when I was in Texas I was able to achieve grouping similar to that and I had never shot a real gun before in my life!!

Fired one full auto in Vegas last year and found it very easy to keep on target at close range.

ak22 · 8 Jan 2015 at 13:54

A good read I highly recommend it to the arrogant people here blaming this terrible act of murder on Islam.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/07/charlie-hebdo-murderers-cannot-define-islam

Westyfield2 · 8 Jan 2015 at 13:54

Noughtboy said:
Who ever fired these may be a nutter but that is a helluva tight grouping (looks like a triple tap). AK47 kicks like a bitch and is not particularly accurate. So, either this was pretty close range (7/8 metres) or this Jihadist spent some summer holidays in Syria/Lebanon/Nigeria/Sudan/Yemen/Algeria/Egypt/Libya/Afghanistan etc.

Yemen is what the news reckon today. But yeah, while it was all breaking news yesterday the Sky News bloke kept going on about how professional it all looked.
http://news.sky.com/story/1403776/paris-gunmen-are-skilful-professional-killers

wordy · 8 Jan 2015 at 13:55

Above&Beyond said:
Again you offer no solution. It's just insincere condolences for people you don't know. If not drones pinpointing strikes then what? Tanks? Troops? Fighter jets dropping bombs?

Waiting for another chance when the targets aren't surrounded by kids?

Yet I bet you are disgusted at whats happened in Paris, yet show a "**** happens" attitude when western countries kill inocents. It's either right or wrong.