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Pretty surprised at the amount of bullets they put in him when he was clearly down and incapacitated/dead already!
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I hope it was the terrorist - its not 100% clear from the video other than he has a gun.
Probably assumed from the way he was running at them that it was a suicide charge with a bomb vest or similar and not taking chances.
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They lit him up good and proper!
Presumably although it's terrorist scum, we shouldn't link the video here?
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He's clutching his AK which is visible on the uncensored one when he falls to the floor. The police did their job properly.
Are you going to take any chances when he's clutching an AR? I wouldn't.
I'm obviously projecting...
I know quite a few and none think blasphemy should mean death, many don't drink alcohol or eat pork but that's nothing to do with me. What they eat or drink doesn't affect me in any shape or form.
Perhaps it's the way you ask them?
Yes, mainly religiously fuelled, yet you don't claim that followers of christianity all believe that. Again why do you believe all muslims still believe in the literal writing of their book whereas you insist in other religions it's only a minority of them?
The average muslim I'm talking about is the non extremist muslim, just happy to carry on their life as they see fit, not interfering with most others. As with anything the most extreme are generally the loudest.
I'd like to know if you really think most european muslims (yes, including the majority that are second and third generation, many of who probably drink alcohol and eat pork) really think blasphemy is a crime and should result in death?
Again there is this insistence that all Jews and Christians cherrypick only the best bits, whereas all muslims pick the worst bits. Why is it not that the vocal extremist muslims pick the most violent bits, just like the most vocal violent christians (Westboro as an example). Insisting one rule for muslims and another for all other religions is a bit of a thin argument.
very few, if any, Christians believe that
on the other hand the idea that someone should be punished for 'insulting' the prophet... is a view that still needs to change within Islam in general
I don't blame the average muslim in the street, then again it would be great if the only issues with extremist muslims were a tiny group that get shouty with some signs and an african country that has issues with homophobia.
while I'm sure they do want to cause issues between Islam and the west (and they've likely contributed more votes to far right parties as a result of their actions) they've still chosen that target for a reason and the issue of freedom of speech vs insulting the prophet still has an underlying clash of ideology that isn't going away any time soon and really ought to be dealt with
the Japanese translator of the satanic verses - he didn't live in the west, there was no war on terror, Japan had a non-interventionist foreign policy and a tiny Muslim population yet he was shot in 1991
the people executed every year in Saudi
the people murdered every year in Pakistan
the worldwide reaction to Salmon Rushdie
this isn't just some conspiracy, it is an issue that needs to be dealt with
this is still a very legitimate point:
until this issue is dealt with, the conflict between freedom of speech and the overly sensitive reactions to perceived 'insults' and criticisms of the prophet then there is still that increased probability that some group or other is going to take it to the extreme. It is a clear clash between Islam and the principle of freedom of speech and unresolved it will lead to more tension and more votes for far right parties.
he's actually got an issue in general with the reporting system - anti-Israeli stuff gets flagged by the jewish campaigners, stuff Islamists don't like when posted by moderate muslims in arab countries gets flagged up too by people bombarding the reports...
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so your saying some Muslims committed suicide in the hope that it would encourage people to punish other Muslims so the muslims would react by becoming terrorists?
thats a convoluted theory at best to end your life on.
There are many ways in strictly theory you could have lived before and have no memory of it.
Religion should be a personal thing, if people want to believe in whatever that is their right, inflicting it on others that is not their right, infact the only sin is inflicting your will on another.
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Might want to read that bit back to yourself again.
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why does it look like the asian girl runs out the store passed the police probably posing as a hostage
Demnons?
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Looks blurred at best dickybob, blurred and a single still, what are you suggesting it shows?
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/m...ohamed-as-bbc-changes-guidelines-9968473.html
BBC has made the right response I think. Basically in response to the Charlie Hebdo massacre, the BBC is removing its ban on depictions of the prophet Mohammed.
BBC has made the right response I think. Basically in response to the Charlie Hebdo massacre, the BBC is removing its ban on depictions of the prophet Mohammed.
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Your typical average Muslim, then? I know quite a few too. Do they represent the majority in the world? Then I hope you're right.
Not ALL
And it's not a minority either, that's precisely the point.Check out the polls on the subject. But I guess they don't count, or are not representative, or whatever. Check out the poll, in Pakistan, or in Malaysia, one of the more progressive Muslim country.
Here's one for your convenience. Think what you will, but there is quite some way to go.
That's not what I'm getting at. When push comes to shove, there is a reluctance to pick anything at all. It is not the same attitude.
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