London on high alert too

jonneymendoza said:
Not all religions carry a terrorist threat.

Dont see Christians/Catholic creating chaos in the name of jesus/God
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You obviously missed the 2011 Oslo massacre done by the "Christian crusader",
Or you know, the entire IRA debacle, e.g. Manchester bombing, or the anti-abortion killings in the 1980s USA, the continuing massacres in Ugnada by The "Lords Resistance Army", the killing of Muslims by Christians in Lebanon's civil war, The Ku Klux Klan, the holocaust...
 
D.P. said:
Or you know, the entire IRA debacle
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The IRA had **** all to do with religion, so can we stop bandying that tidbit about already?

The founding father of Irish Republicanism was an Irish Protestant. Infact the founders of The Society Of United Irishmen were mostly Protestant, with quite a few of Anglo Irish ancestry. Quite a few IRA men were Protestants. Ronnie Bunting was in the INLA, was a Protestant and his father was a former British Army Major (Ronald Bunting).

Now the Loyalist paramilitaries? ATAT, KAT, they considered every single catholic to be an IRA sympathiser and therefore a legitimate target.
 
OhEsEcks said:
The IRA had **** all to do with religion, so can we stop bandying that tidbit about already?

The founding father of Irish Republicanism was an Irish Protestant. Infact the founders of The Society Of United Irishmen were mostly Protestant, with quite a few of Anglo Irish ancestry. Quite a few IRA men were Protestants. Ronnie Bunting was in the INLA, was a Protestant and his father was a former British Army Major (Ronald Bunting).

Now the Loyalist paramilitaries? ATAT, KAT, they considered every single catholic to be an IRA sympathiser and therefore a legitimate target.
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Was dp incorrect on the matters he said about catholics?
 
jonneymendoza said:
Was dp incorrect on the matters he said about catholics?
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He didn't say anything about Catholics. He said Christians. My point was about the IRA somehow being a Catholic terror group. They weren't. They were mixed. The original IRA formed to fight against English/British colonialism in Ireland. The original IRA won that war (of independence) with the formation of the Free (secular [though that much is ********]) State. Then they fought amongst themselves during the Irish Civil War. Then things settled down until "the Troubles" which was in response to successive abuses of power against Catholic citizens by the majority Protestant government in the North and was about civil liberties, equal rights and the end of British occupation and the reunification of Ireland as a whole.
 
OhEsEcks said:
He didn't say anything about Catholics. He said Christians. My point was about the IRA somehow being a Catholic terror group. They weren't. They were mixed. The original IRA formed to fight against English/British colonialism in Ireland. The original IRA won that war (of independence) with the formation of the Free (secular [though that much is ********]) State. Then they fought amongst themselves during the Irish Civil War. Then things settled down until "the Troubles" which was in response to successive abuses of power against Catholic citizens by the majority Protestant government in the North and was about civil liberties, equal rights and the end of British occupation and the reunification of Ireland as a whole.
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Religion is widely regarded as one of the issues, amongst other you suggest, the IRA thought over.

Regardless of that, the rest is all true. Anders Brveik called himself a Christian Crusader and murdered people in his attempt to protect Christian values.
 
D.P. said:
You obviously missed the 2011 Oslo massacre done by the "Christian crusader",
Or you know, the entire IRA debacle, e.g. Manchester bombing, or the anti-abortion killings in the 1980s USA, the continuing massacres in Ugnada by The "Lords Resistance Army", the killing of Muslims by Christians in Lebanon's civil war, The Ku Klux Klan, the holocaust...
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Wow, never has one post contained so much fail.

Oslo massacre wasn't committed in the name of Christianity, he actually committed it for a number of reasons, the main being racism - he was hoping to "stem the tide of Islamic immigration in to Europe". In fact he specifically stated he did not see himself as religious.

The IRA were involved in a political war against the UK government over the occupation of NI. It just happens that both sides were of predominantly differing denominations of Christianity.

Anti-abortion killings - aye they were wackadoodle Christians. Also people who were ironically pro-life. Morons.

The LRA is actually recognised as a religious cult - mostly because nobody is really sure what the hell their ideology is. They certainly don't seem to follow Christ or his teachings but talk of God and the 10 commandments.

Lebanon was a civil war. The killing went both ways - atrocities on both sides.

The KKK - they're just friggin racist nutjobs.

The holocaust definitely wasn't carried out in the name of Christianity. Infact the Nazi party worked to reduce the influence of the church in Germany.
 
Dis86 said:
Wow, never has one post contained so much fail.

Oslo massacre wasn't committed in the name of Christianity, he actually committed it for a number of reasons, the main being racism - he was hoping to "stem the tide of Islamic immigration in to Europe". In fact he specifically stated he did not see himself as religious.

The IRA were involved in a political war against the UK government over the occupation of NI. It just happens that both sides were of predominantly differing denominations of Christianity.

Anti-abortion killings - aye they were wackadoodle Christians. Also people who were ironically pro-life. Morons.

The LRA is actually recognised as a religious cult - mostly because nobody is really sure what the hell their ideology is. They certainly don't seem to follow Christ or his teachings but talk of God and the 10 commandments.

Lebanon was a civil war. The killing went both ways - atrocities on both sides.

The KKK - they're just friggin racist nutjobs.

The holocaust definitely wasn't carried out in the name of Christianity. Infact the Nazi party worked to reduce the influence of the church in Germany.
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And in the same light the CH attacks had little to do with mainstream Islam. Maybe you are slowly starting to understand:rolleyes:

Let alone the fact you are just wrong on most of that. The Oslo Masacre was done by someone calling himself the Christian Crusader in an attempt to protect Christian values, in his view
The LRA is religous cult based on Christianity, just like there are different sects of any religion, different interpretations, AND people who claim they are following a religion who clearly are not following the mainstream interpretation.

In the Lebanon civil war there were specific cases of genocide committed by Christians against Muslims.

Hitler in his own words: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.."


With Godwins law inoked thread thread can close to path the way for another OCUK Muslim bashing circle-jerk
 
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D.P. said:
And in the same light the CH attacks had little to do with mainstream Islam. Maybe you are slowly starting to understand:rolleyes:

Let alone the fact you are just wrong on most of that. The Oslo Masacre was done by someone calling himself the Christian Crusader in an attempt to protect Christian values, in his view
The LRA is religous cult based on Christianity, just like there are different sects of any religion, different interpretations, AND people who claim they are following a religion who clearly are not following the mainstream interpretation.

In the Lebanon civil war there were specific cases of genocide committed by Christians against Muslims.

Hitler in his own words: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.."


With Godwins law inoked thread thread can close to path the way for another OCUK Muslim bashing circle-jerk
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It was a specific quote from Breivik during his trial when he stated he was not religious. Not religious ergo could not carry out attacks in the name of his religion. Take note that most of those he killed were white non Muslims.

Hitler stated those things to appease the masses. Before the Nazis took power Germany was very religious. Once in power the Nazi party set about systematically removing that power as they had no religious basis or true specific beliefs. Hence the obsession with the occult. Something that would be banned under true christian dogma.

Lebanon again I'll say it was a civil war and went both ways.

Mad Africans don't follow jesus. Thus not christian. Do believe in a god. Not sure what that makes them other than mental murderers.
 
matdom said:
Simple way to resolve this really, if the person commits an act of Terror in a public place the whole family get exported out of the country.
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Guess you didn't think this post through.

where to ?
what if he was born here ? what if all the family are from the uk
what if the person committing the act lives hundreds of miles away from his family and has no contact with them ?
 
Dis86 said:
It was a specific quote from Breivik during his trial when he stated he was not religious. Not religious ergo could not carry out attacks in the name of his religion. Take note that most of those he killed were white non Muslims.

Hitler stated those things to appease the masses. Before the Nazis took power Germany was very religious. Once in power the Nazi party set about systematically removing that power as they had no religious basis or true specific beliefs. Hence the obsession with the occult. Something that would be banned under true christian dogma.

Lebanon again I'll say it was a civil war and went both ways.

Mad Africans don't follow jesus. Thus not christian. Do believe in a god. Not sure what that makes them other than mental murderers.
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Brevik said he wasn't religious but was defending Christian values. Experts assert that he was a Christian terrorists. That isn't my option, but the opinion of experts. The same goes for Hiter.

Besides which, your dismissal that these maniacs were not religious is the exact reason why Muslim terrorists have actually nothing to do with mainstream Islam. In fact, the mere act of commuting terrorism means that by definition they can't be following mainstream Islam.

Terrorists are inae maniacs, religion and race has little to do with it.
 
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