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FX8320 @ 4.5Ghz or Move to 4790K

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Currently running an AMD FX8320 @ 4.5Ghz on a Sabretooth 990FX and GTX970.

Having a bit spare cash left over from chrimbo I was contemplating selling my Mobo and CPU for £200 ish and putting the rest for a i5 4690k, however the improvements would be negligible or very little and would be a side step from what I have read, would changing to an i7 4790k be any better?.

I don't game a great deal but when I do it's more BF4, FIFA and run different VM servers for work & testing, little bit VB coding and web design.

Will my current setup be bottlenecking my GPU?

I'd be looking to pair the CPU with MSI Z97 Gaming 5 Mobo.


Cheers in advance
 
wait for ddr4 and a newer intel cpu set up arrives. any other option is almost pointless. especially in games.
 
Definitely stick with what youve got for the moment, even OC it a bit further. Should easily be able to reach 4.8Ghz, if not higher. 2016 appears to be the year to wait for for CPUs!
 
VMs run better on AMD 8 Core CPUs. Stick with what you have, unless you use your PC for productivity (which it seems you don't).

Also, most games nowadays are GPU limited. The CPU does play its part, but not that much. You probably won't see a difference.
 
The 4790k would be faster in everything you do, especially if overclocked. You'll also get less heat produced from it (nice during summer) and it will be cheaper to run (electricity wise) than your current AMD rig.

You also will have the possibility of using the new M.2 connections on the Z97 (nice new samsung m.2 ssd's available with insane performance), you'll get PCI-E v3, many more USB3 connectors, more SATA 6 ports etc. A much newer platform. The AMD platform you're using is 2-3 years old technology.

If you have an upgrade itch then go ahead for the 4790k, or if you can wait, as others have said, wait for Broadwell (coming in 2-3 months) or Skylake (5-6 months).

Note these dates are purely estimates that many rumour sites are reporting, may be longer or shorter until the new Intel CPU's arrive.
 
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Not going to reply to that. Its your £££ to waste though!

Truth hurts huh! :P

On a serious note, to a penny watcher yes an upgrade would be a waste of money.

Though to those of us whose main hobby are our PC's, overclocking, shiny new things! then it suddenly becomes justifiable.

You can't argue that the Intel platforms are vastly superior - though of course they do command a price premium.

It's no problem that some believe an upgrade would be a total waste and that he should wait for the new Intel chips, everyone's opinion is valid etc :)

There's no right answer - just people with different amounts of disposable income, people who enjoy new technology, people who value money differently etc, all that matters if you make the right decision for yourself :)
 
Forgot to mention, your gaming experience will be far better with the Intel vs the AMD.

Take a look at these minimum framerates:

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Forgot to mention, your gaming experience will be far better with the Intel vs the AMD.

Take a look at these minimum framerates:

Depends on the game you play. To take it to another extreme (just because you seem game for it) if you had an AMD GPU and mantle (and played a mantle supported title) the i7 is almost irrelevant! When I first read this thread I focused on the i5 aspect, the i7 would be a more logical progression if you have money to switch. However back to the i5 4690k to me it would be a sidegrade and not worth the effort nor outlay. Keep hold of that cash and get something that will make a bigger difference.

On a serious note, to a penny watcher yes an upgrade would be a waste of money.

and it will be cheaper to run (electricity wise) than your current AMD rig.

Whatever way you look at it he's not really going to save in this scenario - which highlights the irony of your advice.

Upgrade by spending £250 more on just a CPU - then the rest of the components from the switch assuming you can recoup reasonably by selling it. Oh and by the way you are going to save £2.31 this year by switching to an overclocked i7!! ;) :p

There's no right answer - just people with different amounts of disposable income, people who enjoy new technology, people who value money differently etc, all that matters if you make the right decision for yourself :)

This is something we agree upon. The thing is though, if I was one of the folk that enjoys new technology with disposable income I would have got the i7 in the first place. :D
 
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Depends on the game you play. To take it to another extreme (just because you seem game for it) if you had an AMD GPU and mantle (and played a mantle supported title) the i7 is almost irrelevant!

I'd love to see some gaming benchmarks where any AMD CPU beats a 4790k in minimum or maximum fps. Go ahead and link some, would be nice to see.

Gaming is only one aspect. the OP mentions other tasks apart from gaming, which would also benefit from the I7.

There are only a handful of released games that support mantle, out of many thousands of recent games. DX12 will obviously add a lot more games in the future that will require less of a CPU for gaming, though it's not here yet.

Also - it's really hard to judge/advise someone on the best CPU, since we don't know their real usage of their PC. I imagine by now most people have multiple monitors, have multiple programs open at the same time that they are playing a game. Browser tabs, videos playing in some media player, some VOIP like skype, anti-virus, monitoring software, the list is endless.

The more programs one runs at the same time, the more the I7 will show it's obvious performance advantage - even if the game is mantle supported.

I imagine there are a few gamers out there who close every single process, program that's not essential to windows while they play games, to get the highest min/max fps, though I think we can agree they are in the vast minority.

Whatever way you look at it he's not really going to save in this scenario - which highlights the irony of your advice.

Obviously he won't save any money if he upgrades any component. We can bicker about the most cost effective upgrade for him, though we can't deny if he wants the best performance/lowest TDP/lowest electricity consumption all wrapped up into one package, he should choose the I7, assuming he wants to spend that kind of money.

Upgrade by spending £250 more on just a CPU - then the rest of the components from the switch assuming you can recoup reasonably by selling it. Oh and by the way you are going to save £2.31 this year by switching to an overclocked i7!! ;) :p

Yes, he'd have to spent a few hundred pounds if he wanted to upgrade to the best mainstream (non enthusiast) CPU/Motherboard.

Regarding the money he'd save on electricity if he decided to upgrade to an I7, it would completely depend on what voltages he has to pass through his system to achieve a certain frequency, and depend on what frequency he wants to aim for. All chips are different, so it's very difficult to arrive at a certain figure.

You'd have to factor in how many hours he runs his PC, the average CPU utilization for each day, the region of the country he lives in (different prices per KwH), just to name a few.

Not idea how you factored all that in to arrive at your £2.31, I guess your simply clairvoyant, so I bow before you :)

Whilst it's true you won't that much money each year you run the I7, it's just one aspect that the I7 beats the FX in. When you understand that the I7 beats the FX in every single aspect, it's just one more slice of the overall pie. Of course the I7 is much more expensive than the FX CPU - though that's only natural. We're comparing Ancient FX technology (especially the features that the FX motherboards lack) to the latest technologies available on Z97.

Also bear in mind that this will all change soon - since Broadwell is just around the corner, and will further extend the hilarious lead that Intel has in every single aspect over the FX range (expect price of course :))
 
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Looks like I'me holding off for Broadwell or Skylake, After moving from AMD GPU I can confirm that Mantle is absolute toss, albeit it's AMD Drivers for AMD Mantle that are, worse performance on Mantle than DX11 on 7970 Single GPU and CFX
 
It's important to note that for doing a VM on the cheap AMD CPUs are superior to Intel ones. For a start they all support AMD-V and ECC. Your motherboard also supports IOMMU. Most Intel boards except for very few Z series boards support some of these Virtualisation features and I can't think of one that supports all of them, you'd have to buy a Q series one.

The result would then cost a lot more than has actually been suggested, provided these features are ones you are using.
 
It's important to note that for doing a VM on the cheap AMD CPUs are superior to Intel ones. For a start they all support AMD-V and ECC. Your motherboard also supports IOMMU. Most Intel boards except for very few Z series boards support some of these Virtualisation features and I can't think of one that supports all of them, you'd have to buy a Q series one.

The result would then cost a lot more than has actually been suggested, provided these features are ones you are using.

The last time I ran VMware I could designate cores to it. So I would imagine the more you have the better. I was running it on my 3970x and I remember it needed VTX-D or something to be enabled, otherwise it would refuse to run.

Turning it on slowed down my PC at boot which is kinda odd, no idea why. I disabled it again when I was done. May have been something to do with my pretty hefty overclock, but I managed to run it fine and get done what I wanted to do.
 
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Gaming is only one aspect. the OP mentions other tasks apart from gaming, which would also benefit from the I7.

The more programs one runs at the same time, the more the I7 will show it's obvious performance advantage - even if the game is mantle supported.

he should choose the I7, assuming he wants to spend that kind of money.

Regarding the money he'd save on electricity if he decided to upgrade to an I7, it would completely depend on what voltages he has to pass through his system to achieve a certain frequency, and depend on what frequency he wants to aim for. All chips are different, so it's very difficult to arrive at a certain figure.

Whilst it's true you won't that much money each year you run the I7, it's just one aspect that the I7 beats the FX in. When you understand that the I7 beats the FX in every single aspect, it's just one more slice of the overall pie. Of course the I7 is much more expensive than the FX CPU - though that's only natural. We're comparing Ancient FX technology (especially the features that the FX motherboards lack) to the latest technologies available on Z97.
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Dave did you read my post? There's too many references to I7 here where you missed the point. See below:

When I first read this thread I focused on the i5 aspect, the i7 would be a more logical progression if you have money to switch. However back to the i5 4690k to me it would be a sidegrade and not worth the effort nor outlay. Keep hold of that cash and get something that will make a bigger difference.

And finally..

Also bear in mind that this will all change soon - since Broadwell is just around the corner, and will further extend the hilarious lead that Intel has in every single aspect over the FX range (expect price of course :))

Which cements the view that upgrading now is NOT the time!!! :rolleyes:;)
 
Dave did you read my post? There's too many references to I7 here where you missed the point.

I suggesting reading the opening most more carefully next time. Had you done so, you would have seen the following:

Having a bit spare cash left over from chrimbo I was contemplating selling my Mobo and CPU for £200 ish and putting the rest for a i5 4690k, however the improvements would be negligible or very little and would be a side step from what I have read, would changing to an i7 4790k be any better?.

Hence my posts where I detail the advantages of the I7 compared to his current setup.
 
I suggesting reading the opening most more carefully next time. Had you done so, you would have seen the following:

Hence my posts where I detail the advantages of the I7 compared to his current setup.

Dave lets not get petty! He also wrote in that very post:

Currently running an AMD FX8320 @ 4.5Ghz on a Sabretooth 990FX and GTX970.

Having a bit spare cash left over from chrimbo I was contemplating selling my Mobo and CPU for £200 ish and putting the rest for a i5 4690k

Which was a worthless move. I agree investing more into the I7 would be 'worth' it, however my advice on waiting for something better still stands. :cool: As these others agree (just not you Dave):

wait...any other option is almost pointless. especially in games.

No worthwhile upgrade to be had here, for your uses.

Then stick to the 8320 as it's very good at that.
It's totally not worth it.

Definitely stick with what youve got for the moment... 2016 appears to be the year to wait for for CPUs!

VMs run better on AMD 8 Core CPUs. Stick with what you have, unless you use your PC for productivity (which it seems you don't).

Also, most games nowadays are GPU limited. The CPU does play its part, but not that much. You probably won't see a difference.

Stick till something worthwhile crops up.

As you're not a die hard gamer I would keep what you have.

It's important to note that for doing a VM on the cheap AMD CPUs are superior to Intel ones....
The result would then cost a lot more than has actually been suggested, provided these features are ones you are using.

Cannot be more clear than that to be fair. See you in the next thread Dave. :)
 
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