London on high alert too

Simple way to resolve this really, if the person commits an act of Terror in a public place the whole family get exported out of the country.

What if the terrorist attack occurs in a private location?
What if they have no family?
What if their family is British?
Where to?
What if the family previously denounced the terrorist?
Why would the terrorist care?

I have a better Idea. Whenever a terrorist farts we cut off one of matdom's limb, one he has none left we move on to organs.
 
What if the terrorist attack occurs in a private location?
What if they have no family?
What if their family is British?
Where to?
What if the family previously denounced the terrorist?
Why would the terrorist care?

I have a better Idea. Whenever a terrorist farts we cut off one of matdom's limb, one he has none left we move on to organs.

Well the majority aren't British,and i'm sure the Saudi would want them.
What if they have no family? same thing as now really.
What if their family is British? i,m sure the arabs would love to have them, do you mean British going back 100 years, or never born in this country yet holding a British passport.

Why would the terrorist care? They would, if they didn't then the family would know how much they care.

what other policies could you put into place, you need to start somewhere and evolve.
 
Guess you didn't think this post through.

where to ?
what if he was born here ? what if all the family are from the uk
what if the person committing the act lives hundreds of miles away from his family and has no contact with them ?

1. not here. revoke passport. kick out. then its up to them to find a ****hole country that will let them in.

2. doesn't matter. people who live in the civilised world should know killing is wrong.

3. like full metal jacket, the team gets punished. puts more emphasis on family values.
 
It is just a state of perpetual fear that the government want us to remain in. Makes it easier to pass laws, arrest people and control the masses.

Fear rules all and the more people who are afraid the worse it will get.
 
1. not here. revoke passport. kick out. then its up to them to find a ****hole country that will let them in.

2. doesn't matter. people who live in the civilised world should know killing is wrong.

3. like full metal jacket, the team gets punished. puts more emphasis on family values.


What a poorly thought out response.

1. You would have to deport them somewhere. Where?

2. A civilised country doesn't persecute innocent people because of association.

3. They would be born into that family and would likely have little to no influence on the persons actions. See 2.

Would you be happy to be deported because of the actions of a relative that you were not aware of or in agreement to?
 
Some people in this thread need to read up on the history of the IRA/UFF et al and "the troubles" and about N.I/Ireland in general - it was a politically motivated war about land and creating a free state.

Not about Catholics killing Protestants.
 
I live in northern Ireland and the killing 99% of the time was and still is about religion
The Troubles?,

The conflict was primarily a political one, but it also had an ethnic or sectarian dimension,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles#cite_note-29although it was not a religious conflict.

The Troubles


The Northern Irish question crystallized on the religious issue. Since the establishment of plantations by British land grabbing in Ulster, and with the defeat of the Catholic Jacobites in 1690 at the Battle of the Boyne, the British Anglican dominated Ulster politically and economically. In 1921, the Anglo-Irish Treaty caused the separation of the six counties of Northern Ireland from the Irish Free State, which became by the adoption of the Constitution in 1937, the Republic of Ireland.

Northern Ireland : religious war or social conflict ?
 
I think this is proof of just how well terrorism as a concept actually works. What happened to the British stiff upper lip? What happened to carry on and keep calm?

tbh what really is the change police draw up some plans and do a bit of a show of force? for 99.99% of people nothing changes if the thread level is high low or medium rare
 
Brevik said he wasn't religious but was defending Christian values. Experts assert that he was a Christian terrorists. That isn't my option, but the opinion of experts.
According to some anders behring brevik had a far-right militant ideology and his worldview encompassed islamaphobia and support for far-right zionism. His actions are not true Christian, so if he claimed at any one time to be Christian then he could only be seen as a false Christian.

 
They should attack. Then the UK can flush out/execute every pro Jihad
Islamist in the country that dares to congratulate and celebrate it.

Then a Pro Christian group should do it so we can do the same.
Then a Zionist Faction etc etc etc.

Execute the whole lot.

Extermination is needed.

Those statements indicate you're probably no better than those you seek to kill...

I think this is proof of just how well terrorism as a concept actually works. What happened to the British stiff upper lip? What happened to carry on and keep calm?

Agreed. Ignore it and carry on with your life. You're far more likely to be killed by a car anyway.

Unfortunately terrorism is as much a political statement for those in power as it is those trying to perpetuate terror. Just look at the draconian laws that have come out of them and the statements (completely unworkable without deconstructing the Internet and modern society) David Cameron has made in recent days. Ratchet up the threat and use that as a way of dhoehorning new laws that couldn't be passed before (see the "snoopers charter", turfed out once before but now wanting to be pushed through again...)
 
They seem to have got that out of their systems through decades long crusades...

Considering God told George Bush to invade Iraq I'm not sure it's even been entirely worked out of their system in the west, let alone other countries where fundamentalist Christians are still very much at the reins of many countries.
 
Just some perspective.

Approximately 5 people are killed by lightening in the UK each year. You are more likely to die from a lightening strike than from a terrorist attack.
 
Unfortunately terrorism is as much a political statement for those in power as it is those trying to perpetuate terror. Just look at the draconian laws that have come out of them and the statements (completely unworkable without deconstructing the Internet and modern society) David Cameron has made in recent days. Ratchet up the threat and use that as a way of dhoehorning new laws that couldn't be passed before (see the "snoopers charter", turfed out once before but now wanting to be pushed through again...)

Yes. Plain as day. I'm just going to go on a little rant here, to expand on that with some personal thoughts of mine. You don't have to agree, obviously.

From a very practical cold-blooded perspective - the only way to guarantee that "important people" won't be killed in terrorist attacks, is to control terrorist networks. Following on from that, if those in control of terrorist networks (double-agents) don't arrange for actual terrorist attacks from time to time, then those serving under them would splinter off more often (as happens from time to time) and commit terrorist attacks the authorities have absolutely no control over, in which "important people" (too big to fail/die, you know?) could lose their lives. Like Mountbatten did for instance, which must have given the Establishment a real fright and make them consider measures they may not have considered before.

This is how I believe these people think and operate. Their self-preservation instincts are paramount. It is their mantra to favour security (their own first and foremost, of course) above freedom, and it is their practice to deceive. So, given that, and the fact they have power and influence and can actually take such measures, the loose scenario I laid out must be quite close to what is actually going on behind the scenes.

Some "sheep" must be culled from time to time for the heads of the herd to ensure their own survival. Someone; upon learning who the target will be; decides to let it happen or to round them all up and start over by creating a new terrorist structure or infiltrating the new one that springs up. Continued involvement in terrorism thereby become a necessity for state power structures, and intelligence agencies will be involved in terrorism about as much as they are involved in fighting it. As long as the power structures we have today remain in place, terrorism will continue. And people will keep asking themselves now and then: "How come they never go for Obama/Cameron etc?"

Take a good look at our "brave leaders", how they were willing to walk among "everyone else" in Paris, exposing themselves to the exact same dangers as everyone else, to "confront and condemn terrorism":

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...demonstration-in-frances-history-9972895.html

Priceless.


I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. For those who think I'm just talking out of my arse because they don't know any better, I'll point them to Operation Gladio; the MI5 agent who took part in IRA bombings which killed innocent people, to help him rise up the ranks (I forget his code-name, Swordfish or something?); and the two SAS guys driving around Basra with bombs in their vehicle, apprehended by the local police and then sprung out of the local jail by a British tank, before they could be tried for terrorism. Isolated incidents or merely the tip of the iceberg? Who knows. Who the **** has oversight of these people to know? I have no good reason to trust them or governments anymore. We're all being manipulated, turned against each other, even while they make fancy speeches of "everyone getting along and respecting each other" to appear innocent and reasonable. And the sad thing is, it's all too easy for them to accomplish. Things have gone very sour and the light of day (the publics' eyes) needs to be shone in places that have not received any in a long time. And there is no politician with any intention of doing so but of course we'll still see plenty of people arguing about which of them would be better. It's like slaves being asked which plantation overseer they would prefer to lie to them.

Anyway, this **** is depressing, and I have no solution for it either, other than for people, en masse, to stop wanting to be led by others. And that would be a miracle if there ever was one.
 
Just some perspective.

Approximately 5 people are killed by lightening in the UK each year. You are more likely to die from a lightening strike than from a terrorist attack.

On the basis that you can't stop lightening we should not try and stop something we might be able to stop then.
 
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