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TSMC has postponed the installation of its 16nm production lines to the second half of 2015 instead

That's as good as saying you haven't got a sodding clue, so I'll take that :) and bru, post #31. it's right there.


DM has said that intel have shifted direction. This is true in the desktop sector at least. If you want to know what intel are capable of when not trying to stuff apus and gpus together, just look at the xeon e5-2699 v3 18 core / 36 thread mammoth. Massively capable, albeit very heavily parallel processing orientated. It's just nuts.

http://ark.intel.com/products/81061/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2699-v3-45M-Cache-2_30-GHz
 
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I just think it's funny.

I've read enough DM posts to know 99% of what he writes is filler. I'm late to the party, people have already gone over his tripe with a comb, i no longer need to. Yet, because of that i'm now essentially borderline stupid/lack the ability to 'understand'

The funny bit is, after that beautiful blatant personal attack (which, btw, i take no offense to. Just pointing it out!) you catch onto the simpleton bit! :D :D Real mature, indeed! :p
 
james.miller said:
You haven't refuted anything he's said so far. Can you not disprove any of it? or are you just going to call tripe every time you dont understand it? Good job with the simpletons comment, by the way. That's real mature
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This guy fuels off other peoples arguments and as of yet I have not seen any productive posts. Pretty accurate summary from memory, I only see what he posts though in this thread from your quotes as I remember placing on the ignore list for these reasons a while back.
 
It wasn't a personal attack; it was an observation and evidently a correct one.

If you dont like his posts, block him. No excuse, just block him. If you don't want to do that and instead pull the trump card then back it up with some truth. You know, prove him wrong rather than sitting there making your thumb sore. Because otherwise yes, your just somebody else who has a strange obsession with the length of his posts.
 
Thont, you probably put me on ignore because i dared to say something bad about AMD's CPUs lol. I dare say, it's probably one of the reasons you blindly follow DM on his crusade against Nvidia/Intel.

Not that i really care, like you correctly pointed out i get my kicks off out of other peoples arguments, this thread is giving me a serious chubb right now, and i'm not afraid to admit it.
 
james.miller said:
It wasn't a personal attack; it was an observation and evidently a correct one.

If you dont like his posts, block him. No excuse, just block him. If you don't want to do that and instead pull the trump card then back it up with some truth. You know, prove him wrong rather than sitting there making your thumb sore. Because otherwise yes, your just somebody else who has a strange obsession with the length of his posts.
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even when you prove him wrong by quoting his own post showing exactly what he said is indeed what he said, he just deflects on to something else, there is really no point in engaging him in any kind of meaningful conversation because he'll just resort to calling you stupid if you in any way disagree with him or his pet corporation

On the flip side i find tonester funny most of the time and the only reason i come on the forums is for a bit of friendly banter, not to see someone peddling their opinion as fact and then deny they ever said what they said when shown to be wrong
 
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Also in the news TSMC have acquired a small company that is generally considered to be the world leaders in chip manufacture. TSMC are sure with the help of this new team they can get 16nm back on target.
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james.miller said:
It wasn't a personal attack; it was an observation and evidently a correct one.

If you dont like his posts, block him. No excuse, just block him. If you don't want to do that and instead pull the trump card then back it up with some truth. You know, prove him wrong rather than sitting there making your thumb sore. Because otherwise yes, your just somebody else who has a strange obsession with the length of his posts.
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No, mate. It was a personal attack, you know what you wrote when you wrote it. Just like i did mine, however i was careful enough to leave it at an implication only. This post of yours just shows you agree with your earlier statement.

Please, don't take this the wrong way. I love it, take no offense from it. Just thought it was funny as it was followed by my dig ;) Made me chuckle, it's like you didn't see the irony in what you posted :D

As for blocking DM, no chance. Wont block anyone, all blocking does is narrow your POV to those you agree with, where's the potential for discussion if everyone you see already has the same views.
 
Mei said:
well yeh you cant debate anything if it always gets bitchy
people know when they are being bitchy there's no point playing stupid on it
tho maybe humor is lost sometimes :)
im a nerd i dont come on here to read other ppls drama :o
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Tell it like it is bro, to many threads getting derailed because of stuff like this. Sometimes it can be humorous but more than often it's just boring.

On topic, I'm just disappointed that 28nm isn't going away anytime soon. I don't mind what the next die shrink is, and even less interested about the intricate details that go into the design of it. I just hope we get one sooner rather than later..
 
I also like Tonesters posts and light hearted humour is needed around here. So many serious/attacking/rude/objectional/falsieties. It gets boring reading the same crap and I for one look forward to some comedy.

28nm is here to stay. Ohh well, more beer money then :D
 
Boomstick777 said:
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Tell it like it is bro, to many threads getting derailed because of stuff like this. Sometimes it can be humorous but more than often it's just boring.
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So, so boring. I think the mods seriously just need to start handing out suspensions for pointless bickering.
 
It does all make me wonder how on earth Sony and Microsoft are going to be able to bring out a future console this side of 2020 that will feel like a worthwhile step up from the PS4/XBOX1.

I suspect we will still see more progress with GPUs than we are seeing with CPUs, not least because AMD does at least compete with Nvidia.
 
10nm will be ready in 2017 hopefully, that's 4 years since the start of the gen. Design kits are out already I believe so should be no problem.
 
FoxEye said:
So, so boring. I think the mods seriously just need to start handing out suspensions for pointless bickering.
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+1

Jamielicious said:
It does all make me wonder how on earth Sony and Microsoft are going to be able to bring out a future console this side of 2020 that will feel like a worthwhile step up from the PS4/XBOX1.

I suspect we will still see more progress with GPUs than we are seeing with CPUs, not least because AMD does at least compete with Nvidia.
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Orangey said:
10nm will be ready in 2017 hopefully, that's 4 years since the start of the gen. Design kits are out already I believe so should be no problem.
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Hopefully future transitions won't take as long, but I guess we won't know until then lol. Surely nothing can be as bad as moving from 28nm has been.

HD 7970 '28nm' was announced / paper launched in Dec 2011 (http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/radeon-hd-7970-benchmark-tahiti-gcn,review-32344.html) and available in Jan 2012. It's now Jan 2015 and 28nm is still here it just doesn't want go go away :p
 
Sorry for resurrecting, just curious if we have any more info on the 16nm manufacturing, now that NV starts to hype up pascal?
If TSMC is losing much times against Samsung/Glofo they could miss the bus against AMD in the die shrink...or they could jump ship to GloFo as well.
 
Mtom said:
Sorry for resurrecting, just curious if we have any more info on the 16nm manufacturing, now that NV starts to hype up pascal?
If TSMC is losing much times against Samsung/Glofo they could miss the bus against AMD in the die shrink...or they could jump ship to GloFo as well.
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Where is Nvidia hyping up Pascal ?
 
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