In what context would it not be ridiculous for a third party to enforce unwanted religious activity on a child?
Judge orders father to take his children to church
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In what context would it not be ridiculous for a third party to enforce unwanted religious activity on a child?
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I realise I may be jumping to a few conclusions so I apologise in advance.
How dare a man in a position of power force his beliefs and values upon a man in a case that barely relates to the religion. Just because the mans wife follows that religion does not mean that judge has ANY right to force it on someone else, its just an abuse of his power.
furthermore, I do not understand why there was no disciplinary action against him after his previously mentioned transgression, which also shows laziness and shirking of responsibility over the abuse of his powers that has been shown here. I believe the judge should be disciplined or removed. or at the very least forced to attend a mosque to see how it feels.
and yes, we dont have the full picture, but forcing the man to attend church instead of changing the ruling so the visitaion days do not fall on such days (except the xmas one ofcourse) is just silly!!!!
at the very least I believe the man should be investigated and possibly disciplined.
How dare a man in a position of power force his beliefs and values upon a man in a case that barely relates to the religion. Just because the mans wife follows that religion does not mean that judge has ANY right to force it on someone else, its just an abuse of his power.
furthermore, I do not understand why there was no disciplinary action against him after his previously mentioned transgression, which also shows laziness and shirking of responsibility over the abuse of his powers that has been shown here. I believe the judge should be disciplined or removed. or at the very least forced to attend a mosque to see how it feels.
and yes, we dont have the full picture, but forcing the man to attend church instead of changing the ruling so the visitaion days do not fall on such days (except the xmas one ofcourse) is just silly!!!!
at the very least I believe the man should be investigated and possibly disciplined.
Same here except I left after my mother passed away! I actually know 2 very big families who were in the same boat and funnily enough, they don't go either
Even some one very anti-religion, like myself, should be able to recognise there may be more to this case than it first appears. For example, the children requesting to go to Mass and the father refusing to take them. We'll never know the considerations that were made in a closed hearing so to draw any conclusions without them seems pointless.
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Christmas is one of the best days of a year for a child, so why ruin it with a church visit?! And the father's day too.
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That's not part of the case, is it? I thought the kid didn't want to go.
So one parent says. Sorry that's not enough we need to know what was said in the hearing. When parents split kids will often say one thing to one parent and one thing to another.
Probably, attending Mass at Xmas was part of the family structure when married. Upon separation, the Judge felt that this should continue to form part of the upbringing and made legal provision to ensure it from the man who was otherwise not likely to do so.
There's some sense in that, but it's still a silly decision.
There's some sense in that, but it's still a silly decision.
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I cannot believe I did not consider that X'd
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Religion... LOL
Ridiculous that the courts would force a man to take kids to court, but religion and ridiculousness go hand-in-hand I guess.
Ridiculous that the courts would force a man to take kids to court, but religion and ridiculousness go hand-in-hand I guess.
Without reading anything about the case my bet is the mother wants the children to be raised as Catholics and go to church every Sunday. The father wants to get the kids every weekend or 2nd weekend or some such and thus it is perfectly natural that the mother wants the children to maintain church attendance.
While there is no need for the father to attend someone needs to look after the kids in church.I'm sure the father could try to make friends with someone at the church who could babysit the kids while in service while he does something more productive.
While there is no need for the father to attend someone needs to look after the kids in church.I'm sure the father could try to make friends with someone at the church who could babysit the kids while in service while he does something more productive.
a) should the same be true in a case such as estebanrey's laser quest example above?
b) your assertion that this was "part of the family structure when married" is clearly incorrect, when the father stated "“I am definitely not Catholic. The last time I went to church was some time ago and it was a Unitarian church that I attended."
I hardly think it's a coincidence that the judge who made this ruling was catholic himself - do you think a non-religious judge would have enforced the same condition?
Turn up blaring out black metal with you and the kid wearing Ozzy Osborne t-shirts and yelling "HAIL SATAN!"?
I like that idea...
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a) should the same be true in a case such as estebanrey's laser quest example above?
b) your assertion that this was "part of the family structure when married" is clearly incorrect, when the father stated "“I am definitely not Catholic. The last time I went to church was some time ago and it was a Unitarian church that I attended."
I hardly think it's a coincidence that the judge who made this ruling was catholic himself - do you think a non-religious judge would have enforced the same condition?
Turn up blaring out black metal with you and the kid wearing Ozzy Osborne t-shirts and yelling "HAIL SATAN!"?
I like that idea...
nah all you have to do is eat baked beans and or vindaloo the night before. either that or give the judge the usual OCUK letter box soiling
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"Perfectly natural"? Probably. It's also perfectly natural for the father not to want his kid to be brain-washed - so why should one of those wishes be enforced by law? I didn't realise apostasy was illegal in this country!
Surely a more fair judgement would be for the mother to be allowed to take him to church when she has him, and for the father to be allowed to not take him to church when he has him?
But then, I guess my mistake there is trying to use the word "fair" in the context of a custody ruling, when everyone knows they are hopelessly weighted in favour of the woman.
Why would it be any fairer if the father purposely did something against the mother's wishes?
perhaps it would be fairer if the father simply didn't get to see his Children on Sundays?