Doesn't sound like there is anything wrong. When ABS kicks in aggressively on a slippery surface like that it feels very disconcerting, especially if you aren't expecting it - the pedal sinks, the wheels grind and just and the car just doesn't slow down.
Brakes delayed failure after crossing ford
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How does a servo pipe get full of water?
You have had it 3 months.
A major part of the car has failed, causeing you to crash.
I would be down the Dealers asap and having words. Thing is i wouldn't tell them about the ford, just that the breaks failed and caused that!
within 6 months a car should be usable...
A major part of the car has failed, causeing you to crash.
I would be down the Dealers asap and having words. Thing is i wouldn't tell them about the ford, just that the breaks failed and caused that!
within 6 months a car should be usable...
Dealer can't do anything about user error though
My first and only accident was because of wet leaves. I was in an old 1l Saxo which didnt have ABS. Went to stop behind a parked car and give way to oncoming traffic and just didnt stop at all and went into the back of the parked car. I was just a passenger.
To be honest OP i think the Ford was unrelated. You probably did just hit some wet mud/leaves which caused your ABS to kick in/you to skid.
Brakes worked before and after said collision. I would suggest that has nothing to do with brake failure. Unless this is some sort of futuristic car that repairs itself whilst you drive.
In which case definitely don't take it back to the garage!! It'll be the cheapest car you'll ever own
Either you are saying I'm lying about the whole thing, or that pushing on the brake pedal to no effect does not constitute brake failure. Let me remind you that I had successfully used the brakes to slow down all along that road for about 1 mile, including a full stop to pass oncoming traffic, and the whole road is in that condition (no better or worse). Moreover, the car in front had no problems stopping where I lost control.
I kind of wish I hand't posted the photos of the road. It is not covered in mud/leaves/loose stones, and it is not icy. It's just brown coloured. Have you not ever seen a brown coloured road? We have them down here - the colour of the chippings they use to make the surface is in fact light brown. Moreover that is the most common condition of roads in Cornwall, and I've driven on such roads almost exclusively in the 3 months I've had the car. We don't have a lot of A roads down here. If you look at the part of the road where the tyres naturally sit, it's is black(er) and merely wet.
Anyway, people will draw their own conclusions. I guess some people will say it's my fault, for whatever reason. Already had one person say it's "user error". The only thing I could have done differently is use the handbrake.
I don't think anyone is saying it is your fault as such. Even the most astute drivers could be cuaght out by a difficult to see mud/ice patch.
I've just checked the pictures again.
And the road is clearly covered in mud with loads of wet leaves all down the side.
You can see twigs etc in the middle of the road ontop of the mud
Bear in mind the skinny tyres on the car. I bet a playing card underneath each tyre would mean no contact with the road surface.
I've been caught out at times. Especially in cornwall. The roads around Lazant near the ford especially.
Not saying your a muppet just saying it does look like the road surface etc has caused the stopping failure.
And the road is clearly covered in mud with loads of wet leaves all down the side.
You can see twigs etc in the middle of the road ontop of the mud
Bear in mind the skinny tyres on the car. I bet a playing card underneath each tyre would mean no contact with the road surface.
I've been caught out at times. Especially in cornwall. The roads around Lazant near the ford especially.
Not saying your a muppet just saying it does look like the road surface etc has caused the stopping failure.
Regardless, these are the roads I drive on/need to drive on. If the Yaris cannot cope with these roads on a new set of tyres then I will need to trade it in for another car. I wasn't driving faster than appropriate for the conditions, as my speed at the time was approx 15 mph.
This particular road I had driven down many times, in both my car and in the work vans, and never had troubles with grip on the road.
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Well... now you have. Unless you have some kind of measure how close you've been to activating the ABS on previous trips down that road it doesn't matter whether you've driven that stretch 10 times or a thousand.
I'm no driving god but if I was in the drivers seat that road would have my mindset set to "looks slippy". Maybe you stabbed at the brakes a little harder than normal, maybe you were an inch or two out of the two tyre tracks maybe there was a little diesel or oil thrown into the mix.
At the end of the day you described exactly what happens when ABS cuts in and said yourself that the brakes were fine before and after it happened. You can either accept it was that, waste time and money trying to find a car that defies physics or deny that your control inputs had any bearing on the matter and carry on as you are using solid objects to slow you down.
Out of interest, if that is the stretch of road where it happened what did you hit to take a chunk out of the rim?
I was going about 10 mph when i crashed my first car on the road around from where i lived. The speed and the fact i knew the road did nothing to prevent the wet leaves on the road causing me to crash....
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The road is clearly covered in leaves mud and loose stones, are you bonkers or just in utter denial? It's slippery and very cold at the moment, dirty road surfaces will amplify this effect. You got caught out, that's all.
Stop trying to blame it on a phantom ABS fault that has never happened before, or since, only at the precise moment you crashed.
OK so the general consensus is the ford had nothing to do with it.
The base of the stone wall. There's a small patch where the ivy has been torn away (now in my wheel), and the stone is scuffed. I was actively steering into the hedge, thinking I'd hit it and stop instantly, expecting to total the car in the process, but instead the wheel hit and I kind of bounced off it. With minor, minor damage to the front right wing.
So the wheel pretty much saved the rest of the car.
It was right on the junction. The last bit of hedge before you can turn right. The car came to a stop across the junction.
The base of the stone wall. There's a small patch where the ivy has been torn away (now in my wheel), and the stone is scuffed. I was actively steering into the hedge, thinking I'd hit it and stop instantly, expecting to total the car in the process, but instead the wheel hit and I kind of bounced off it. With minor, minor damage to the front right wing.
So the wheel pretty much saved the rest of the car.
It was right on the junction. The last bit of hedge before you can turn right. The car came to a stop across the junction.
One other thing, I've just been reading about ABS, and the system should act on each wheel independently, right?
There is just no way that all four of my wheels lost traction on that road. One, perhaps. Not all four.
So even with ABS doing its thing on one of the wheels I should have had some braking.
There is just no way that all four of my wheels lost traction on that road. One, perhaps. Not all four.
So even with ABS doing its thing on one of the wheels I should have had some braking.