Army brass to be slashed.

My constable friend in the police will retire early with similar figures. I don't begrudge him it, but darn it seems like a lot of money for 25 years of service.

No he won't.

If he is a Constable, he will get a pension of around £23000 if he doesn't take a lump sum from his pension. If he takes a lump sum he will get around £135,000 and a reduced pension of around £17,000 per year (figures aren't exact but are near enough since they can fluctuate slightly.

Ivrytwr3 is about right with his figures above, since you can alter the lump sum taken.

As for the OP, if we have almost as many top brass as the US Army that is shocking. I'm all for removal at the top end to enable more staff at the bottom end.
 
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10 months to go to my 22yr point (military). Can't wait to qualify for my IP before they mess with it all again or they bin me during another round of SDSR!

I will be getting about half of what a civvy copper gets, but in 22yrs, not 30 and ours is non-contribution.
 
We are top heavy, but any loss in the military is a sad one. Too many jobs going, so much experience lost. Be nice if they made it up within the lower ranks, sadly this won't be the case.

Would be nice if some of the money saved were to be redirected to the lower plebs.

However, it won't.
 
When in the last 50yrs have we needed trident! Oh right never! Especially more so where the threat isn't sovereign nations it's terrorists! They will just use a dirty bomb. There's no point in 2015 to spending £20bn on a weapon that won't ever be used, it doesn't deter terrorists or anyone else

* If Ukraine had nuclear weapons, do you think it would be being invaded by Russian right now?
* Nuclear weapons deter state-sponsored terrorism, because if we discovered a state was involved we could turn their nation to glass.
* Nuclear weapons are broadly regarded as having ensured there has not been a major war since 1945.

Let me ask you this: the annual cost of Trident is about £2.5bn. The UK foreign aid budget is £10bn per year. If you're concerned about money, why not just cut £2.5bn from our aid budget.
 
We all know the days when Britain was a superpower are long gone, we can't afford massive armed forces anymore and don't really have the need for them given we don't have an empire any more. Given that I can't help feeling the solution is to combine the Army, Royal Navy and Royal Airforce into a single command structure - think Israeli Defence Forces or US Marine Corps type structure. The inter-service rivalry we have just seems to cause more problems than it solves.

Didnt work well with canada, little of the savings promised ever appeared and the examples you gave are inaccurate as another poster said. you still require separate command structures because the services do entirely different jobs. for joint exercises you just take who you need from those structures and put them together (EAW concept). It doesn't stop people working together.
oh and our armed forces aren't massive, Its entirely average sized, this whole "massive armed forces, cold war blah blah" stuff is rubbish. we cut from the cold war in the 90's and we've been more active ever since. Much like other public services we are bleeding manpower and experience whilst having more work to do. 5th largest economy - 27thish largest military.

10 months to go to my 22yr point (military). Can't wait to qualify for my IP before they mess with it all again or they bin me during another round of SDSR!
NEM is out in april and a new SDR after the election, well within your 10 months. careful!
 
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Agreed on not amalgamating the separate services. It would be an absolute cluster. We work in a joint force environment perfectly well as we are, there would be no need to make one defence force.
 
Agreed on not amalgamating the separate services. It would be an absolute cluster. We work in a joint force environment perfectly well as we are, there would be no need to make one defence force.

Yeah, fortunately they have taken the recommendation from the Lord Hutton report and allowed Grandfather rights ie i will get 21yrs 3 months on the old scheme (AFPS75) and the remainder on the new (AFPS15).
 
5th largest economy - 27thish largest military.

Yep they don't particularly need to match up in a 1:1 ratio mate.

Especially since the US is #1 economy #1 military, its also far lower down for civil rights and healthcare amongst many more.

Army for officers represents the next thing after university or boarding school for the over priviledged.
 
Let me ask you this: the annual cost of Trident is about £2.5bn. The UK foreign aid budget is £10bn per year. If you're concerned about money, why not just cut £2.5bn from our aid budget.


better idea cut 10bn from foreign aid budget.
 
10 months to go to my 22yr point (military). Can't wait to qualify for my IP before they mess with it all again or they bin me during another round of SDSR!

I will be getting about half of what a civvy copper gets, but in 22yrs, not 30 and ours is non-contribution.


Yep , mine was non/contributory as well , 7/22nd of a full service pension is 4k a year for me , all adds up. Think I have a 10k lump sum coming as well.

The money you would have to put into a personal fund now even for that small amount is frightening for Mr average .
 
We all know the days when Britain was a superpower are long gone, we can't afford massive armed forces anymore and don't really have the need for them given we don't have an empire any more. Given that I can't help feeling the solution is to combine the Army, Royal Navy and Royal Airforce into a single command structure - think Israeli Defence Forces or US Marine Corps type structure. The inter-service rivalry we have just seems to cause more problems than it solves.

The US Marine Corps is a branch of the US Navy. The US still has an air force and army.
 
That's changing though. Those with 10 years or less to go still get the full 1987 pension. Those with more will work more, pay more and get less.

Indeed, suffer us all.
Not police, but my average salary scheme, started at 6.5%, crept up over the years, is currently set at basic 13.5% with an extra 3.67% or so for added years.
Average salary.
Doubling of contributions.
No additional benefit.

Quite a kicker.
 
The US Marine Corps is a branch of the US Navy. The US still has an air force and army.

However as he stated, the USMC is also a standalone force with it's own Air, Land and Sea units so it can operate without the need for the others but only in a very localised area, not globally.
 
Wow - just ready that there are currently 500 colonels and 200 brigadiers in our army. Lol top heavy or what?
 
However as he stated, the USMC is also a standalone force with it's own Air, Land and Sea units so it can operate without the need for the others but only in a very localised area, not globally.

I understand that but it is still part of a tri service military with the rivalry that goes with it.

That said, does the marine corps not need US Navy carriers to fly their F18s from ?
 
Training is carried out by senior NCOs, not officers.

What about the other array of requirements for different types of warfare that the Officers would be responsible for/specialist in? Am I along the right lines or is it a case (as is being implied) there's officers sat round not doing a lot?
 
I understand that but it is still part of a tri service military with the rivalry that goes with it.

That said, does the marine corps not need US Navy carriers to fly their F18s from ?

They have their own LHD carriers for the AV-8B however I agree that a tri-service military is better than than one combined unit.
 
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