Just how nutty are the Green party?

Trifid said:
It isn't going to be the rich who would need to be taxed. Every single working person will be worse off and 'have their legs broken'. Those who can afford to leave the country will, further putting the burden on the rest. Everything will topple down. The NHS will be unaffordable. Out of work benefits, unaffordable. Pensions, unaffordable. You are as deluded as they are.
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Oh doomsday. You do realise, of course, that the NHS was created by a socialist labour party who came to power post-war in a landslide victory following the General excesses of a people used and abused as Pawn play things in somebody elses slaughter. It is in the shadow of the great calamity of the world wars that we pulled together as a nation to serve and help each other and build a nation to be proud of. Since then, the right has worked tirelessly to dismantle these structures and reassert their excesses. The overton window is currently optimistically to the right, helped by new labours grotesque shift to the centre. The wolves are baying for blood, and few are standing to stop them for the good of us all.

Judgeneo said:
Before long, you end up with... and a gradually poorer working population.
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Open your eyes, we already have this.
 
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Trifid said:
Anyone who can stand on their own two feet will have their legs broken to pay for those who can't. This isn't making the country richer it is dragging everyone down to the same level.


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The policy will enable people to “choose their own types and patterns of work”, and will allow people to take up “personally satisfying and socially useful work”. It will cost somewhere between £240-280 billion a year – more than double the current health budget, and ten times the defence budget.
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This alone would cost the average working person more then £9k a year, forgetting socially beneficial work is not overly economically beneficial. Their policies are suicide for the economy and I would be planning my exit very quickly.
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Absolutely bogus. Isi formation.

The greens are proposing a systems more similar to the Scandinavian model. Taxes are higher, especially for high income workers, but the quality of services, health and education are much improved and free. This doesn't have a cost, it is fiscally neutral. Closing tax loop holes so people can't avoid things like CGT when selling a second property is not breaking their legs!:rolleyes:

The second aspect about working is simply to break the 9-5 Monday to Friday antiquated system that simply means everyone is trapped in rush hour and forced to work a majority of their time with no flexibility. The greens want to a make work more flexible , you can start at 6am or 10am, you can work weekends, you can work 30hour weeks or 60 hour weeks. The choice comes down to you and requirements of the employer.


These kinds of policies is exactly why I will be voting greens!
 
BunnyKillBot said:
'They're crazy' they say. Well check out this nugget of gold, truer than any truism I can think of.

I hate people. I hate how easily they can be manipulated. It used to be the 'Will of God' (Kingdom of Heaven). God may have died but the prevailing hierarchical belief structures that control the masses live on. A little confusion here, a little coercion there, apply a timely compulsion and hey presto; a flock of bleating sheep at your disposal
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Believe it or not some people can read the same thing as you and come to a different conclusion without being a "bleating sheep". Sure, there are some nice policies in their manifesto, but that doesn't at all address the point that by implementing it we would completely cripple the country, that they are completely uncosted and that their industrial reforms would mean that there would be massive unemployment and no money to pay for all the benefits they want to give.
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
How many of these superrich and those with 000s do you think have bank accounts actually containing their assets?
It isn't a matter of chopping off a few zeros.
That would involves chopping off shares, dividends, companies, holdings, funds etc.
Say for example Richard Branson, which of his companies would you sell off to get his personal wealth down to a level you suggest is acceptable?
These people don't have cash lying around.
The wealth hoarding you talk of, is turning one successful company into another, and diversifying.
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Dm was figuratively speaking.

What the greens propose is changes to taxation and inheritance that would prevent hoarding of obscene levels.
 
Trifid said:
It isn't going to be the rich who would need to be taxed. Every single working person will be worse off and 'have their legs broken'. Those who can afford to leave the country will, further putting the burden on the rest. Everything will topple down. The NHS will be unaffordable. Out of work benefits, unaffordable. Pensions, unaffordable. You are as deluded as they are.
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:rolleyes:
Taxing people fairly is not breaking their legs. Do Scandinavian's feel their legs are broken?
Taxing people more doesn't make them worse off if their quality of life increases, on the contrary quality of life is more important than the number of zeros in someone's bank account.
 
Taxing the rich never works as the rich just by another house so they can live in 3 countries a year and be Non-Dom in all of them.

See France's tax income over the last 5 years for details.

It's the ever-squeezed £50K+ plus households that get shafted ad infinitum by "taxing the rich", capital gains and inheretitance taxes.
 
Terminal_Boy said:
Taxing the rich never works as the rich just by another house so they can live in 3 countries a year and be Non-Dom in all of them.

See France's tax income over the last 5 years for details.

It's the ever-squeezed £50K+ plus households that get shafted ad infinitum by "taxing the rich", capital gains and inheretitance taxes.
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A good property tax system resolves that easily, plus closing tax loop holes and cracking down on people illegally claiming non-residence
 
D.P. said:
:rolleyes:
Taxing people fairly is not breaking their legs. Do Scandinavian's feel their legs are broken?
Taxing people more doesn't make them worse off if their quality of life increases, on the contrary quality of life is more important than the number of zeros in someone's bank account.
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This is not a couple of percent required across the board, they will need tax revenues to increase massively. The only one that they have costed out on that list is £280b. That is huge, even for a country, about half of our current tax income.
 
D.P. said:
Dm was figuratively speaking.

What the greens propose is changes to taxation and inheritance that would prevent hoarding of obscene levels.
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Why do you think you (or indeed the state) have more right to my property than I do?

Are you prepared to be so cavalier with other rights?
 
Dolph said:
Why do you think you (or indeed the state) have more right to my property than I do?

Are you prepared to be so cavalier with other rights?
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Well the state is the only reason you have/are able to enforce any property rights you may have, so there's that in their favour :p
 
Rich_L said:
Well the state is the only reason you have/are able to enforce any property rights you may have, so there's that in their favour :p
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That doesn't give the right to abuse those rights or use unequal treatment any more than providing protection from invaders gives the state the right to imprison people.
 
BunnyKillBot said:
Oh doomsday. You do realise, of course, that the NHS was created by a socialist labour party who came to power post-war in a landslide victory following the General excesses of a people used and abused as Pawn play things in somebody elses slaughter. It is in the shadow of the great calamity of the world wars that we pulled together as a nation to serve and help each other and build a nation to be proud of. Since then, the right has worked tirelessly to dismantle these structures and reassert their excesses. The overton window is currently optimistically to the right, helped by new labours grotesque shift to the centre. The wolves are baying for blood, and few are standing to stop them for the good of us all.



Open your eyes, we already have this.
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What is it with Lefties? It's always someone else's fault...

The country doesn't need left wing socialist deluded head bangers as much as it doesn't need the likes of UKIP and it's pub fag packet politics.

We need centre minded, balanced politics for the foreseeable.
 
Dolph said:
Why do you think you (or indeed the state) have more right to my property than I do?
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Because, as a society, we've decided it's better to fund a central executor of force to maintain a level of everyone's rights than just leave people to fend for themselves. Without the state to enforce some rights it likely wouldn't be your property for long.
 
bam0 said:
Because, as a society, we've decided it's better to fund a central executor of force to maintain a level of everyone's rights than just leave people to fend for themselves. Without the state to enforce some rights it likely wouldn't be your property for long.
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That is a justification for everyone to pay taxes and receive benefits. What is the justification for taxing people at different rates?
 
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