Just how nutty are the Green party?

BunnyKillBot said:
Open your eyes, we already have this.
Click to expand...

past few years unemployment has gone down, number of people in work have increased, the economy has grown stronger...

yet you're defending a party who seemingly wants to propose some rather radical ideas that are presumably going to be paid for with magical beans...
 
Dolph said:
That is a justification for everyone to pay taxes and receive benefits. What is the justification for taxing people at different rates?
Click to expand...

I don't know, I didn't think I was saying I thought they should be. A tax system whereby all forms of interpersonal wealth transfer are taxed at the same rate doesn't sound too unreasonable in principle, although probably hard to actually implement.
 
RDM said:
Fair is probably a word that should be banned in political discussions as it is incredibly subjective.
Click to expand...

People use fair precisely because it can be twisted. In this case, fair is being used to justify discrimination based on arbitrary decisions about status.

I would much prefer an honest discussion using words like equal, discrimination and so on.
 
Dolph said:
No, equal treatment is fair, arbitrarily determining how much of someone's property you take is not fair, any more than gender or racial discrimination is fair.
Click to expand...

I kind of agree with you in part but that idea only works if things are fairer (as in greater income distribution) to begin with. When the money is held by a relatively small amount of people and therefore the means to further increase that difference then at some point the system breaks down.
 
Trifid said:
This is not a couple of percent required across the board, they will need tax revenues to increase massively. The only one that they have costed out on that list is £280b. That is huge, even for a country, about half of our current tax income.
Click to expand...

That list, as explained several times, is not accurate, out of date and misrepresentative of the Green Party.
 
MichaelAwkward said:
That list, as explained several times, is not accurate, out of date and misrepresentative of the Green Party.
Click to expand...

Have you looked at their policy website? It has even more ideas that would cost an absolute fortune and even more ideas that would reduce overall tax take by gutting business in the UK.
 
Dolph said:
People use fair precisely because it can be twisted. In this case, fair is being used to justify discrimination based on arbitrary decisions about status.

I would much prefer an honest discussion using words like equal, discrimination and so on.
Click to expand...
Well equality is easy enough to manage, the average tax per person in the UK is 13k so everyone should pay 13k in tax. Equality :cool:

Imagine the efficiency savings as well - no income reporting needed, you'd probably be able to knock that down to 10k each in an instant.
 
Last edited:
MichaelAwkward said:
That list, as explained several times, is not accurate, out of date and misrepresentative of the Green Party.
Click to expand...

That citizens income which costs £280bn is very much current as it was discussed this morning on the politics show. Not only that, it will be implemented by scrapping tax allowances altogether thereby making the poorly paid even worse off.
 
Dolph said:
That is a justification for everyone to pay taxes and receive benefits. What is the justification for taxing people at different rates?
Click to expand...

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

Ability is not a binary yes or no asnwer and neither is need - there are variying levels of ability and varying levels of need, therefore it is equitable that each group either contributes on a variable level or recieves on a variable level.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
amigafan2003 said:
Ability is not a binary yes or no asnwer and neither is need - there are variying levels of ability and varying levels of need, therefore it is equitable that each group either contributes on a variable level or recieves on a variable level.
Click to expand...
*beep* *boop*

Complex variables 'ability' and 'need' beyond operating parameters - unable to proceed. Quote 'equal treatment' loop to start

*beep* *boop*
 
Bear said:
That citizens income which costs £280bn is very much current as it was discussed this morning on the politics show. Not only that, it will be implemented by scrapping tax allowances altogether thereby making the poorly paid even worse off.
Click to expand...

Doesn't everyone get the Citizens Income, so poorly paid people, whilst being taxed on all their earnings, would also get the CI and be better off overall? Not that they would have a job after the crash to the economy the rest of the Green's policies would create...
 
RDM said:
Doesn't everyone get the Citizens Income, so poorly paid people, whilst being taxed on all their earnings, would also get the CI and be better off overall? Not that they would have a job after the crash to the economy the rest of the Green's policies would create...
Click to expand...

Currently people don't get taxed on the first £10k, if you get £75 a week then you would get £3900 tax free. I don't see how the poorly paid can be better off:confused:
 
Re-edit. I'm surer of myself this time :p

If you had no personal allowance, you would get taxed 20% on the first ~£10,000+ of your earnings.

Let's say someone earned £20k per annum and assume the personal allowance is £10k for simplicity.

Current Rules:

£20k gross earnings = £10k untaxed earnings + £10k taxed earnings at 20% = £18k net

Proposed rules:

£20k gross earnings = £20k taxed earnings at 20% plus £3900 = £16k plus £3900 = £19,900 net.

That's the principle anyway.
 
Last edited:
If these loons ever get into power I'll be able to stop working so hard as the massive taxation will make earning a high salary pointless. Why bother working 80h+ per week as a barrister when you could earn the same working 16h per week in Games Workshop ;)
 
Bear said:
Currently people don't get taxed on the first £10k, if you get £75 a week then you would get £3900 tax free. I don't see how the poorly paid can be better off:confused:
Click to expand...

I hadn't realised the CI was so low! Apologies, I had thought it was higher!
 
RDM said:
I hadn't realised the CI was so low! Apologies, I had thought it was higher!
Click to expand...

From what I can gather, it is meant to help the low paid by not penalising people on benefits by reducing their benefits if they work more than 16 hours, so they get to keep that money whether they are working or not.

On the face of it, it is a great idea but by removing tax allowances they screwed it all up.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom