General Election - Conservative + UKIP coalition?

robgmun · 26 Jan 2015 at 11:31

satchef1 said:
That's tactical voting.

Protest voting is where you vote for somebody (anybody) other than the main parties because you feel the main parties need to be taught a lesson.

Both are equally dumb and damaging to democracy (I'm not suggesting you're guilty of either by the way).

Either why, voting for UKIP for me is not a protest vote. I thought that would have been obvious to everyone on this forum by now

McPhee · 26 Jan 2015 at 11:35

robgmun said:
Either why, voting for UKIP for me is not a protest vote. I thought that would have been obvious to everyone on this forum by now

You'd think it would be, but you should know by now that if you vote for anyone other than Labour or the Conservatives, you are protest voting

platypus · 26 Jan 2015 at 12:10

robgmun said:
In your opinion, if i voted Tories to keep Labour out that would be "protest vote"

As above, tactical rather than protest. I suppose you could argue it semantically though so fair enough. I guess it's more worrying that you don't consider it a protest/tactical vote, but it's highly unlikely that we'll ever agree politically.

That was aimed at LordSplodge not you

Ah ok. Well apologies then.

robgmun · 26 Jan 2015 at 12:18

platypus said:
As above, tactical rather than protest. I suppose you could argue it semantically though so fair enough. I guess it's more worrying that you don't consider it a protest/tactical vote, but it's highly unlikely that we'll ever agree politically.

I'd rather vote on principle rather than tactical, i wish more would.

platypus · 26 Jan 2015 at 12:19

robgmun said:
I'd rather vote on principle rather than tactical, i wish more would.

Yes I do too, unfortunately our somewhat archaic voting system doesn't really lend itself to principle* voting..

ubersonic · 26 Jan 2015 at 13:10

robgmun said:
And going by your logic the labour party stood there and watched and did nothing

No they didn't, they took action! they spent the countries surplus into a deficit, sold off our gold reserves, raided the pension fund and ran up a massive overdraft!

And ****ed it all away on a dome, angels and welfare bumps.

robgmun said:
Either why, voting for UKIP for me is not a protest vote. I thought that would have been obvious to everyone on this forum by now

It is, it's the very definition of a protest vote, because a vote for UKIP isn't going to help get a UKIP government, it's going to help get a Labour government and show the Tories how many extra votes they could have had if they could have better engaged the people who voted UKIP or other right wing no hope parties.

Dr Jack · 26 Jan 2015 at 13:10

robgmun said:
I'd rather vote on principle rather than tactical, i wish more would.

Tactical voting is abetter way to express your opinion in our broken electoral system. If we'd gone for AV it wouldn't be necessary.

Quartz · 26 Jan 2015 at 15:15

Mr Jack said:
If we'd gone for AV it wouldn't be necessary.

AV = Approval Voting? Yes indeed.

Efour · 26 Jan 2015 at 15:27

The UK is used to Coalitions now. Time for PR. Let all the Greens, UKIPpers and other fringe mentalists have their say. It cant be any worse.

Burnsy2023 · 26 Jan 2015 at 15:32

Quartz said:
AV = Approval Voting? Yes indeed.

Alternative vote - the referendum that was declined. Proportional representation would be the best way to actually make your vote count though. I feel that tactical voting is undemocratic - but ultimately a product of a broken system.

scorza · 26 Jan 2015 at 15:41

Efour said:
The UK is used to Coalitions now. Time for PR. Let all the Greens, UKIPpers and other fringe mentalists have their say. It cant be any worse.

Or better still the AV+ system that a government commissioned report recommended as the most suitable for the UK.

McBain · 26 Jan 2015 at 15:59

Amp34 said:
And if you're on £26k then you're not even giving enough in tax to offset what you take out...

Eh?

Judgeneo · 26 Jan 2015 at 16:03

McBain said:
Eh?

A few years out of date, but gives you an idea

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13633966

Dr Jack · 26 Jan 2015 at 16:24

Burnsy2023 said:
Alternative vote - the referendum that was declined. Proportional representation would be the best way to actually make your vote count though.

Yup. AV was a "miserable little compromise" as Clegg put it in one of his rare moments of being right. Still, it would have fixed the tactical voting problem of our system.

I feel that tactical voting is undemocratic - but ultimately a product of a broken system.

I disagree with the first part. There's nothing undemocratic about tactical voting; it's just expressing your will in a manner more nuanced than 'box A'.

Burnsy2023 · 26 Jan 2015 at 16:29

Mr Jack said:
I disagree with the first part. There's nothing undemocratic about tactical voting; it's just expressing your will in a manner more nuanced than 'box A'.

You're not expressing your will if it backfires though - which was kind of my point.

robgmun · 26 Jan 2015 at 16:39

Judgeneo said:
A few years out of date, but gives you an idea

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13633966

£-12,433 for me

LOL i get nothing!

robgmun · 26 Jan 2015 at 16:44

ubersonic said:
It is, it's the very definition of a protest vote, because a vote for UKIP isn't going to help get a UKIP government, it's going to help get a Labour government and show the Tories how many extra votes they could have had if they could have better engaged the people who voted UKIP or other right wing no hope parties.

Jesus that was some awful spinning and mental gymnastics you did there, ed milliband would be proud

It's not a protest vote, get. over. it.

Billies Bangers · 26 Jan 2015 at 17:00

robgmun said:
a) No it won't, our country will be stronger

b) it's not a "protest vote", i'm not a flitter like you

You know their views on workers rights I take it? One of the reasons UKIP want out of Europe is the abolition of employment laws.

It will indeed be a bad day for the working man and woman if UKIP ever gain power and influence. Remember the old saying 'beware of Greeks bearing gifts'.

One often hears people in staunch working class areas voicing support for UKIP and I think to myself how stupid are you.

Dolph · 26 Jan 2015 at 17:10

scorza said:
Or better still the AV+ system that a government commissioned report recommended as the most suitable for the UK.

I would be fully behind this provided equal treatment under the law is correctly enshrined with regards to property.

scorza · 26 Jan 2015 at 17:43

Dolph said:
I would be fully behind this provided equal treatment under the law is correctly enshrined with regards to property.

What's that got to do with AV+?