nah, not quite - part of the product owner role might be seen as encompassing *some* project management but so does part of the scrum master role
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nah, not quite - part of the product owner role might be seen as encompassing *some* project management but so does part of the scrum master role
phone OU and ask about credit transfer... you might well be able to complete your full degree with them without having to start from scratch since you've already completed 2/3rds of a degree...
bit of info on the role is covered here if you're interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(software_development)#Product_Owner
I think you've missed my point!
perhaps you could be a bit clearer then? You seem to be hung up about some irrelevant point re: the title - first you think it is too fancy and then you seem to think it is too vague... when it is just a title used in an agile methodology with a clearly defined role
I think you know my point. I'm not here for a debate so I'll leave it at that.
I dunno which bit you mean is not quite.
There can be some overlap in RL. As not everywhere will define the roles the same way. (or stick to those definitions) One of the project I'm on at the moment the scrum master, project leader, and product owner are all one and the same. The original person left the project and someone else took over and they also have now left the project. With the usual chaos that this creates.
I'm with dowie on this. They are different roles IMO. I wonder are you mainly thinking of roles within IT. I was thinking of roles that while they may also be in IT, exist above that in the business management layer.
I think thats a very specialised area. I know a few people who do that and similar and they are a very long time making a business out of it. Like 10+ yrs its not something you'll do over night. You'd have to be doing it on the side for a number of years than then only some will be able to make a viable business out of it.
But if its your passion why not.
I think you've more time than you think. Have a goal for the next 5yrs. And work towards that. What are you good at.
I agree 100%
I just find it hard to stick to that. I'm easily distracted into side projects.
by not quite I just mean it encompasses some of the role of a traditional project manager but in theory shouldn't be equivalent
project managers don't exist in scrum (or at least aren't supposed to AFAIK) and the scrum master and product owner shouldn't be the same person.. then again in the real world, with people leaving and management just wanting to get things done yeah I can see how that can end up with things becoming a bit more ad-hoc
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Sure, I'm the same. However, I run my own business, so it's not so much of a problem. If I was working for someone else, specialisation would allow me to get paid more, and the overall learning effort would ultimately be less. So, more pay, less hours, it just takes working out what you really like then finding the right job, and a bit of self discipline to focus.
Rgds
Shameless hijack but does anyone know of any professional services you can go to for this sort of thing. In another shameless act, this time a cliche, it's not for me. I was thinking like careers counselling or even a life coach, anyone have any experience with this?
Both seem like the sort of thing that will patronise you beyond belief then eventually tell you that a call centre is a respectable career.
I've changed careers so I know it's possible but if you're overwhelmed by the options and have no idea, where do you begin?
Both seem like the sort of thing that will patronise you beyond belief then eventually tell you that a call centre is a respectable career.
I've changed careers so I know it's possible but if you're overwhelmed by the options and have no idea, where do you begin?
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Two life coaches for you:
https://twitter.com/tferriss
https://twitter.com/danspena
Work out what you love spending your time doing, then work out how you can make a living from it. If you post what they (or you?) love doing, I'll have a go at suggesting careers.
Rgds
https://twitter.com/tferriss
https://twitter.com/danspena
Work out what you love spending your time doing, then work out how you can make a living from it. If you post what they (or you?) love doing, I'll have a go at suggesting careers.
Rgds
Thanks for the links but that first one looks like a bit of a joke, 50 billion dollar man, come on.
The 'what do you love spending your time doing' always seems like a rigged question because you can't get a career travelling around or eating posh food or listening to music. I know there are a handful of people who do do that but they're not viable options and even if they are feasible to attempt, you have to work in a so-so job for a few years just to support that anyway.
Just to be clear, that's pretty much what I did, I wrote reviews for films for free and then charged 2.50 per 'script' for online videos of estate agents then product listings for 5 year old hard drives and edited articles for places I'd never been to but this isn't for me.
I know it's cliched but it's just someone I promised I'd try and help and while she has those interests I listed, the prospect of starting at the absolute bottom which I did at like 23/24 doesn't seem much better than where she is now.
I'd like somewhere I could just book an appointment so she could go and spend an hour or 2 once or twice with someone explaining all this and see what someone who's qualified to has to say as her current situation is bogging her down a lot more than she's comfortable admitting.
Again, this isn't me.
I'm not sure there is much... yup there are the 'life coach' people as linked to earlier - bit of a joke....
You could get her to try a careers service... but in some sense she does need to figure out roughly what sort of area she'd like to work in and talk to people in that area. Careers guidance type people won't usually know very much about particular careers and can at best offer a rather broad but very shallow view... still they might be a starting point for suggestions if she is really stuck.
You could get her to try a careers service... but in some sense she does need to figure out roughly what sort of area she'd like to work in and talk to people in that area. Careers guidance type people won't usually know very much about particular careers and can at best offer a rather broad but very shallow view... still they might be a starting point for suggestions if she is really stuck.
Well, I can't offer any advice, but in the spirit of 'Hi, my name is BadMojo and I'm a career changer...' I'll add my two pence worth.
You only have to google terms like, 'career change too many choices' and you'll find dozens of self-help, motivational articles on the position I find myself in. Despite reading several of them, I still feel lost.
I have lots of interests and think about how I could turn them into a career (doing something I enjoy), but I tend to overthink things and try to plan them to the nth degree to a fully fledged career - it doesn't work like that (for most of us).
One thing I did take away from my reading is that there comes a time when you just have to go for it and see what happens. If it doesn't work, then adjust and try again. But putting it into practice is another matter entirely.
I've been a Coastguard for 15 years and it wasn't a career I pursued. I sort of fell into it as something that might be interesting. I loved it. But the powers that be decided to save a couple of quid and for illogical & political reasons, my station was closed last week.
I've been trawling the job sites looking for inspiration, but I'm going nowhere fast. Like you, I've also considered getting a trade, but the problem is time. Trades like electrician, plumber, require experience and getting that at 40+ is very difficult. My cousin is 10 years my junior and couldn't make his dreams of becoming an electrician happen, despite spending thousands on training. The money is in the training courses and providers will tell you anything to get their hands on your money. So unless you have contacts in a trade that can take you on, it'll be very, very hard.
I need to get myself a job by the 13th February so I don't have to suffer the slings and arrows of signing on.
You only have to google terms like, 'career change too many choices' and you'll find dozens of self-help, motivational articles on the position I find myself in. Despite reading several of them, I still feel lost.
I have lots of interests and think about how I could turn them into a career (doing something I enjoy), but I tend to overthink things and try to plan them to the nth degree to a fully fledged career - it doesn't work like that (for most of us).
One thing I did take away from my reading is that there comes a time when you just have to go for it and see what happens. If it doesn't work, then adjust and try again. But putting it into practice is another matter entirely.
I've been a Coastguard for 15 years and it wasn't a career I pursued. I sort of fell into it as something that might be interesting. I loved it. But the powers that be decided to save a couple of quid and for illogical & political reasons, my station was closed last week.
I've been trawling the job sites looking for inspiration, but I'm going nowhere fast. Like you, I've also considered getting a trade, but the problem is time. Trades like electrician, plumber, require experience and getting that at 40+ is very difficult. My cousin is 10 years my junior and couldn't make his dreams of becoming an electrician happen, despite spending thousands on training. The money is in the training courses and providers will tell you anything to get their hands on your money. So unless you have contacts in a trade that can take you on, it'll be very, very hard.
I need to get myself a job by the 13th February so I don't have to suffer the slings and arrows of signing on.