Government defeated over TV licence fee decriminalisation

I'm happy it's staying. As others have said it's hardly a large amount. Considering there's no adverts it's one of my favourite channels(without the reality bull). Heck if I could pay for a completely advert free TV I would.
 
I hardly watch bbc, only top gear atm.. but if it meant picking between the money and bbc id pick the money.

Im bullied into paying it, which sucks just like a lot of people being hit just for owning a tv.
 
if we all collectively stopped paying it, there isnt much they can do

The BBC are in serious trouble as people by the 10,000s are annualy ditching there TV and no longer paying the license fee. There days are numbered. I think the BBC as we know it won't exist in 10-15 years.
 
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You can complain all you like about the BBC but when you introduce a requirement to attract advertisers and viewers to a news channel you end up with Sky News, so for the sub-£150 it costs which includes funding for other public service broadcasters, the huge amount of R&D that they carry out in association with other EBU broadcasters etc, it's worth it.

Do you remember what online catch-up was like before iPlayer? No, me neither.

You might claim that there are only three shows that you enjoy watching because they are the only intelligent non-phone in vote reality trash so you don't think the rest of the BBC is worth it, but it's the position it enjoys that is what allows it to produce these shows that aren't ever going to win a ratings war.
 
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I pay the licence fee for David Attenborough.

If I could cut out the middle man and pay Dave directly I would, but as I can't this is the most effective mechanism to keep him making documentaries.

I doubt anyone minds funding Attenborough.

Problem is we have been forced to fund characters like Saville which there is a very good possibility that his actions were well known by persons at the BBC and covered up whilst he still received big pay cheques.
 
They could just shut the BBC, losing 55,000 jobs, bankrupting a lot of companies that supply the BBC with goods and services, closing down all the BBC TV channels and websites.

Don't forget the radio.

And the manner in which many of the other broadcasters in the UK effectively rely on the BBC to help supply them with trained staff*, and to research and test the equipment they use.


*Given the manner in which many of the staff now working at other outlets basically got their training/breaks via the BBC (even now the BBC typically runs schemes to help find and get people into the industry behind the camera).
 
I doubt anyone minds funding Attenborough.

Problem is we have been forced to fund characters like Saville which there is a very good possibility that his actions were well known by persons at the BBC and covered up whilst he still received big pay cheques.

Are you saying the TV license is a compulsory tax to fund a covert organised paedophile ring?
 
I doubt anyone minds funding Attenborough.

Problem is we have been forced to fund characters like Saville which there is a very good possibility that his actions were well known by persons at the BBC and covered up whilst he still received big pay cheques.

Really, and this is before any of the reports are in...I don't know why the BBC and government are wasting millions doing in depth investigations if we all "know" the BBC did a cover up.

I guess we should also shut down the NHS, although he worked for free there.

Paedophiles tend to, by their very nature, be secretive about their crimes.
At the moment all people appear to have known was that there were rumours, no victims came forward AFAIK, no first hand witnesses came forward, when the BBC did try to look into the rumour on at lease one occasion they could find nothing (even the police who had far more powers when victims from other areas he committed his crimes could find nothing).
And most of this was back before you could even relatively easily check on previous rumours or even locations of personal and guests/visitors more than a few days/weeks in the past (computers make spotting patterns of rumours etc much easier).

To put things in perspective the BBC operated policies at the time that were well in advance of the legal requirements for child protection, requiring parents/guardians or chaperones to be present with any one under 16 working for them, appearing in shows, and even in the audience, and some shows had a flat out ban on under 16's in the audience.

Also to put things into perspective, yesterday a Consultant at Stoke Mandeville Hospital was convicted of committing similar crimes whilst the victims parents were in the same/next room!*
Yet it's taken 30+ years for him to be convicted, obviously the hospital and parents were covering up for him (or more likely like Saville he managed to hide what he was doing from people).


*IIRC this is a Consultant that was also convicted 20 years ago for having child porn pictures in his filing cabinet, yet no one seems to have picked up on these rapes/assaults.
 
in some countries tv license is taken from the electric bill :|

Or council tax equivalent.

IIRC Ireland is moving to basically adding it to the council tax with zero opt out, and they get adverts on their national broadcaster as well from memory.

A lot of people who are against the TVL in the UK seem to think it's unique to the UK, when in reality an awful lot of the Western countries have an equivilent, and the regime in the UK is actually quite light touch (it's per house with an opt out and includes radio, some countries also impose a tax per car radio, or don't have an opt out at all).
 
Or council tax equivalent.

IIRC Ireland is moving to basically adding it to the council tax with zero opt out, and they get adverts on their national broadcaster as well from memory.

A lot of people who are against the TVL in the UK seem to think it's unique to the UK, when in reality an awful lot of the Western countries have an equivilent, and the regime in the UK is actually quite light touch (it's per house with an opt out and includes radio, some countries also impose a tax per car radio, or don't have an opt out at all).

There's a big hoohaa about council tax (LPT) in ROI, as its a new tax in most authorities, it doesn't really include any services so to speak as you still pay for those services such as refuse etc separately or through higher income tax rates.
 
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so I'm quite happy to pay it.
Talk about brainwashed.
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Personaly, i would rather stand up for my universal and inalienable rights to life, than be happy to have a company infringe on them.
I will never pay it again, because I am free.
Anyone who thinks it's a good thing to be forced to pay a tax for nothing, clearly doesn't know what their life is worth.
 
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