Suicide mission to Mars

MookJong said:
It was plucked from the MIT study which you can find all over the web. It was also duscussed on BBC breakfast news last year when they had some candidates on the program. They seemed fully aware they would not survive much more than a couple of months with they supplies they would have.
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Just no.
The plan isn't by MIT and never was. The "report" has more plot holes than mars one. Fir example because food hasn't be grown on another planet. MIT paper disregards it as impossible. Because no oxygen remover isn't space rated, they've disregarded it. Etc etc. It is an utter pointless "report"

And the candidates clearly never said that.

All the info is on mars one. I suggest you read it, rather than making these bizarre claims up.

Just a couple from their FAQ to make the point.
What kind of medical facilities will be available on Mars? The astronauts will be put through many physical checks before they leave. At some point however, an astronaut on Mars will get ill or will get involved in an accident. Medical equipment will be present on Mars and on the way to Mars to treat the most common injuries and illnesses. Two of the four astronauts will have received comprehensive medical training, and the other two will have extensive knowledge of first-aid. All these elements together will provide the group with the tools to help itself. The medical possibilities on Mars will be more limited than those of a modern hospital. Big, heavy equipment won't be present in the settlement for the first few years. Certain conditions will be more difficult or even impossible to treat on Mars. Subsequent years will see more advanced medical technology make its way to Mars to make more complex care possible. - See more at: http://www.mars-one.com/faq/health-...ill-be-available-on-mars#sthash.U9oX5Kbf.dpuf
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Total radiation exposure The 210-day trip results in radiation exposure of the crew of 386 +/- 61 mSv. On the surface, they will be exposed to about 11 mSv per year during their excursions on the surface of Mars. This means that the settlers will be able to spend about sixty years on Mars before reaching their career limit, with respect to ESA standards. - See more at: http://www.mars-one.com/faq/health-...e-settlers-be-exposed-to#sthash.KNFV28s5.dpuf
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Can the astronauts have children on Mars?

Mars One will advise the first settlement inhabitants not to attempt to have children because:
•In the first years, the Mars settlement is not a suitable place for children to live. The medical facilities will be limited and the group is too small.
•The human ability to conceive in reduced mavity is not known, neither is there enough research on whether a fetus can grow normally under these circumstances.

In order to establish a true settlement on Mars, Mars One recognises having children is vital. Therefore this will be an important point of research.
- See more at: http://www.mars-one.com/faq/health-...ts-have-children-on-mars#sthash.frGXzr0P.dpuf
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Glaucus must you roll your eyes at every honest reply that is in any way a challenge to your wet dream of leaving this horrible planet for the lovely and scenic Mars? Can't you just be a little bit more measured in your obnoxious rebuttals?

The fact that being challenged makes you angry doesn't mean people aren't entitled to voice their genuine concerns about this marketing exercise, err sorry I mean important colonial mission.
 
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FoxEye said:
I sincerely hope this mission never goes ahead. Would be a tragic loss of life, for no reason.
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Whilst I find the one way prospect beyond frightening, I think we do need to be brave and do such things.

That said, I don't think we are technologically ready to do it though and I think there are more risks than there need to be.

However it is a very exciting mission - I think we're just trying to run before we can walk.

Give it another 100 years, or even several hundred before attempting something like that.
 
Participant said:
Glaucus must you roll your eyes at every honest reply that is in any way a challenge to your wet dream of leaving this horrible planet for the lovely and scenic Mars? Can't you just be a little bit more measured in your obnoxious rebuttals?

The fact that being challenged makes you angry doesn't mean people aren't entitled to voice their genuine concerns about this marketing exercise, err sorry I mean important colonial mission.
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Utter nonsense. Most of it has nothing to with opinion. They simply haven't got a clue what is happening. Even when pointed out and given the website they can read themselves they can on an make claims off things that clearly never happened.

Angry, far from it

Horrible planet, again far from it.

Obnoxious rebuttal nothing of the sort.

Care to actually post something relevant? I guess not.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
My thoughts exactly.
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While I agree with the point, that the timetable seems a bit fanciful, if dreamers like these weren't around we wouldn't have the earth we have now (for better or worse). Many of the most famous companies and people made their names by sound things that seemed fanciful and impossible.

While the timeline seems short (3years until launch of first rover?!), at least they are trying to push the boundaries.

I think this project caused problems for itself for the same reason it is so well known. The open applications and voting meant so many people saw "nutters" applying and thought they were the only people. In reality it seems the 600 people in the next round are likely to be normal, intelligent people. Unfortunately people still remember the blue haired heavily pierced and made up girl saying she has never fitted on earth. :p
 
Harl0 said:
Sounds like the premise of a decent reality show...
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It really would be big brother, except in space, and everyone has easy ways to kill everyone else, and there's no hope of escape.

To quote a russian cosmonaut "all the conditions for murder are met if you lock two men in a small tin box and expect them to work at peak effeciency for two months"

Indeed this such an issue they ran the mars500 experiment, literally locking people in a mock spaceship with mock tasks to see if they could get to mars without killing anyone
 
Glaucus said:
Utter nonsense. Most of it has nothing to with opinion. but it is isn't it....

They simply haven't got a clue what is happening. Even when pointed out and given the website they can read themselves they can on an make claims off things that clearly never happened.

Angry, far from it you most certainly seem very angry towards all the rational people raising concern over the plausibility of this project. I also remember you throwing your toys out of the pram last time there was a thread on this

Horrible planet, again far from it. what do you mean far from it??? Nobody , I repeat nobody has been to see for themselves and therefore it is all opinion. Based on the best scientific knowledge we have, it is indeed a horrible planet

Obnoxious rebuttal nothing of the sort.

Care to actually post something relevant? I guess not.
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Like freefaller and a few others said above. It's important these type of scientific explorations happen. But we are running before we can walk with this. They can't maintain life there without resupply missions. As you said yourself, they are struggling for funding to get this crazy mission off the ground as it is, let alone raise funding for re supply missions on top.
 
Harl0 said:
Sounds like the premise of a decent reality show...
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During the initial project announcement I honestly thought it was (could it still be? :p) a reality show whereby they do a Truman Show, just on Mars of course :D

Who knows, these 3 might get to Mars, undergo a medically induced sleep in the "rocket" and wake up assuming it's almost time to land and we on planet Erf are told "so here's our REAL plan, it's a new reality show, tune in tomorrow to see how our Mars folks get along!".

The following day the cameras tune in to see someone riding along in a Mars buggy wearing one of the 3's heads like a hat...

I'd *heh* endlessly.
 
Lima said:
Like freefaller and a few others said above. It's important these type of scientific explorations happen. But we are running before we can walk with this. They can't maintain life there without resupply missions. As you said yourself, they are struggling for funding to get this crazy mission off the ground as it is, let alone raise funding for re supply missions on top.
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Well we don't know how funding will go. As I said I doubt this funding model will work.
However the plan isn't just just to send humans. It send habitat and several years of supplies, verify they land safely and that robots assemble certain things before humans even leave earth. If the funding isn't there the humans wouldn't go.
 
I am really surprised it is still going to be honest. Their latest deadline is a probe to Mars by 2018. In a press release they said they had approached Space X and Surrey satellite to draw up plans. That was some time back and no talk of any confirmed contracts have been announced.

2018 is only 3 short years away. How long does it take NASA to design and build a probe with planning? I reckon about 10 years.

Then you have the habitat, for a 2024 base they would surely have to be well into designing and testing, it is going to take multiple launches of very heavy kit before they are ready for humans.

Being how rushed it would be and the almost certain death of the crew on the journey there I very much doubt any responsible Government would let them launch from their territory on a suicide mission.

I very much doubt however Mars One will ever get a man in orbit, let alone to Mars.
 
Well the probe is based on a proven and flown mars probe. Just with different instruments.
The time scales will slip even if they get the funding.


They are planning to lease more detailed plans latter this year. Once companies they've approached get back to them with feasibility and time review.
 
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