Suicide mission to Mars

Errrrr I think you've been playing too many games / watching too much scifi!!

Man'ed space exploration is hugely inefficient, much better to send research capsules if the end goal is to further our understanding of the universe.

As beautiful and poetic as it may sound sending humans into space it is pretty pointless as it's stupidly expensive plus there is little a human can do that a MUCH cheaper robot can't do. As for building a base on Mars
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C.R.A.Z.Y said:
As beautiful and poetic as it may sound sending humans into space it is pretty pointless as it's stupidly expensive plus there is little a human can do that a MUCH cheaper robot can do. As for building a base on Mars ://i.imgur.com/YbhdfZK.gif[/IMG]
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This just isn't the case, robots are far cheaper, but they can't achieve in a faced what a human can do in a week.

As for building a base on mars, it will happen it's a matter of when not if.
 
Glaucus said:
Oh god, really. So before modern construction, we constructed nothing did we?

We never built caves etc?

Mars does indeed have all the raw materials we need. Some can be utilized straight away. Other you slowly bring in machines until you are eventually self sustainable. Your initial comment of having t bring everything with you is so far off the mark.

Why are there so many like you in this thread, who clearly don't know.
Bit I suppose you require I beams and windows etc for this
http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/S...nology/Building_a_lunar_base_with_3D_printing

And LOL, people live in deserts
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My desert comment was a tad misleading. I was implying if people were dropped in the middle of the desert they would most likely die.

Yes we first built shelter out of caves/ dirt/ trees. We then learnt to build proper constructed buildings out of stone and timber. None of these materials would be suitable as a protected base on mars.... Your comparison to early construction practices on earth to what the people on mars should do is absurd to the point I think now that you must be trolling this thread. If I were to put you in a space suit in the middle of a field on earth, without building tools, you would barely be able to construct a hole to poo in....let alone a facility that can be used as a research hub for a planet.
 
They aren't being dropped anywhere with no tools, how silly is that comment. With more tools and equipment arriving with every mission.

Yes, it very much would make a protective base using mainly Martian materils. Why without building tools, they are sending equipment?
You know they plan to send tool, rovers etc. You know they plan to burry the habitats in 5meters of soil.
You know nasa, ESA and others are building and testing 3d printers. You are the one trolling or being totally stupid.
 
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porushinobu said:
I suppose if they grew their own food they could provide their own Oxygen/ sustenance
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Yep and there's plenty of water on mars which can be split into hydrogen/oxygen. It's about using as much of the Martian materials as possible, until there's been enough mission to become self sustainable. Using Martian materials drastically reduces what you need to bring from earth.
No need for radiation shielding, when you can just bury your habitats in Martian soil.

Mars one is not the only one planning to colonise mars. SpaceX is also planning to do it.
 
And they'll have to make sure they have a 50 odd year supply of vitamin D supplements since they won't be able to absorb any direct sunlight through their Martian soil huts and protective suits. They could all just develop rickets I guess....
 
Lima said:
And they'll have to make sure they have a 50 odd year supply of vitamin D supplements since they won't be able to absorb any direct sunlight through their Martian soil huts and protective suits. They could all just develop rickets I guess....
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Or you know we have these inventions called lights.
Any more stupid comments you want to come out with?
 
Glaucus said:
Or you know we have these inventions called lights.
Any more stupid comments you want to come out with?
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So between building space stations out of Martian soil, extracting water from solids and making space allotments for crops, the crew are going to go and use one of the ships sunbeds/ tanning lamps in order to prevent vitamin D deficiency? Don't see how my comment was stupid really.

Edit - what is the source of power for these sunbeds and other necessities?
 
Lima said:
So between building space stations out of Martian soil, extracting water from solids and making space allotments for crops, the crew are going to go and use one of the ships sunbeds/ tanning lamps in order to prevent vitamin D deficiency? Don't see how my comment was stupid really.
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Rofl, you have to be trolling. You know you don't ware spacesuits inside. So no need to go use a sunbed, normal lights will do fine as you go about your normal business.
 
You don't get vitamin D from normal bulbs, you know that right? Which means they would need a special room that has UV lights....
 
Good book:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Martian_(Weir_novel)

Enjoyable yarn about escaping from Mars.

You wouldn't catch me going though. It's just a big ball of rock. I can imagine it being a slightly redder version of Lanzarote, but with less bikinis. I haven't even been to Lanzarote because that looks awful.

I would rather look out my window at Earth's flora and fauna and man-made miracles.

They will all end up killing each other, if there are people like Ryan up there then it won't be long before someone flips out. It just seems like a bad movie. Will there be a chisel-jawed jock to send up with the nerd, the token African guy and the hot Iraqi lady?
 
Lima said:
You don't get vitamin D from normal bulbs, you know that right? Which means they would need a special room that has UV lights....
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Gosh you really are struggling with some very basic concepts.
Or you know take the right bulbs with you.
You do know bulbs can be made with any light wave. Just like plant bulbs designed for optimum growth.

And that we don't use them on earth as we go out side and different people will get different amounts of sunlight.
Where on mars you don't get that varation so it's easy to make bulbs with a suitable amount of UVB.
 
Lol.... Let's assume that we live in some odd universe where you are correct that the ship has (non cancer causing) UV lights. Light bulbs have a shelf life before they break and need replacing. Please therefore explain how it's easy to make a UV bulb on mars? For the record you did just say it was easy to create such a bulb.
 
Lima said:
Lol.... Let's assume that we live in some odd universe where you are correct that the ship has (non cancer causing) UV lights, light bulbs have a shelf life before they break and need replacing. Please therefore explain how it's easy to make a UV bulb on mars? For the record you did just say it was easy to create such a bulb.
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You don't need to live in some bizarre universe you can live in this one.
Shelf life of led bulbs are in decades.
Cancer is the amount of UV, you can create bulbs with very small amounts.
Yes they are very easy to create go to any bulb manufacturers website and looka t the wavelengths for each bulb as well a s their power etc. there is zero need to make them in mars for many hundreds of years. By which time mars would have as much manufacturing equipment as earth.

Really stop trolling.
 
Please provide a source of this magical 20 year long life span, LED UV light, that's suitable for long term human use and I will admit you are correct.
 
AndyT said:
Good book:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Martian_(Weir_novel)

Enjoyable yarn about escaping from Mars.

You wouldn't catch me going though. It's just a big ball of rock. I can imagine it being a slightly redder version of Lanzarote, but with less bikinis. I haven't even been to Lanzarote because that looks awful.
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Speaking of books, Mars and Lanzarote I have a *cool starry bra*

I went to Lanzarote including doing a tour of the island and Timanfaya National Park. By a complete coincidence I was reading Red Mars (Kim Stanley Robinson) on the holiday, and a lot of the landscape really did match the descriptions of Mars in the book. But with more bikinis.
 
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