Good for you, I would be highly surprised if you would recognise or accept anything different, which is why I didn't indulge you. It doesn't change what I said and I stand by it.
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Good for you, I would be highly surprised if you would recognise or accept anything different, which is why I didn't indulge you. It doesn't change what I said and I stand by it.
If there is evidence that they are victims of religious hatred then they are shown as such. Take the killing of the soldier in London for example.
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If an atheist dies they don't even consider religion as a motive. They just say oh religion had nothing to do with it. As soon as a religious is a victim then all of a sudden no other motives matter it must be religious hate.
Religious people all around the world are blogging this story like mad, just shows how desperate they are to try and frame atheists as "just as crazy and evil as religious people"
keep trying fools.
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3 people murdered irrespective of religion is sad, but que a peaceful religion to try and change it to religious hatred is dumb.
RIP the 3 dead people.
RIP the 3 dead people.
If there is evidence to suggest it then yes, it would be taken into consideration as a motive I'm sure, just like this case.
A good point, well made and communicated. Bravo sir.
There is the brutal nature of the shooting itself, the alleged non-religious statements of the assailant, and the speculation from not only the Father of two of the victims, but also some people who live in the area who feel that it was not only over the parking space, especially as one person said there are plenty of parking spaces and he couldn't imagine why the assailant was harassing Barakat over them.
As the Director of Muslim Affairs at the University involved has said,
"These “devastating murders may or may not be a hate crime,” Abdullah Antepli, director of Muslim affairs at Duke University, posted on Facebook. He cited Hicks’s “history of conflict with the victims over parking space and other issues” and urged caution until more information is known."
You have two groups of people here advocating that is was definitively one or the other dependant upon their personal bias. The fact is that such allegations should and need to be investigated, not simply dismissed as you are doing.
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Of course they are bloody investigating it, why wouldn't they investigate that possibility of religious motives in the face of such international attention and religious pressure?
That still doesn't mean it was anything to do with religion, and in America people have historically been killed for less than parking disputes by gun-toting maniacs.
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Meanwhile 100's of Muslims were killed today by Muslims, yet there is silence on twitter and silence from the Islamic apologists and excuses makers like yourself.
Were you frantically posting last week when the stories were coming out of the Iraqi children who were beheaded and burnt to death? Oh that's right you were not.
You don't know that. You are simply dismissing it. It is easy to say "yeah it was just because he wanted a parking space" but the question remains whether that is the only factor and if you read through the various reports and watch CNN as I do, you will see quite a few people from the campus saying that arguing over a parking space in an area here there is a lot of free parking is pretty thin in itself. There is a question over his motivations, and not simply because a relative said so.
wow, Castiel is really really clutching at straws here. It look very odd to everyone else here. Police are going to investigate every avenue regardless or evidence or not.
Just because they're investigating does not mean there's evidence. The "brutal nature" of the shooting is entirely irreverent.
Just because they're investigating does not mean there's evidence. The "brutal nature" of the shooting is entirely irreverent.
Yawn. if that is the limit of your argument then simply don't bother. I am as opposed to religious extremism in all guises as I am to any kind of murder however it is motivated.
I'm sure some people in these countries would be quite interested to hear me called an Islamic Apologist, given what I used to do for a living though.
I didn't say it did. You seem to be the one who is clutching. Arguing that their is no evidence to support such when you have no idea what evidence may or may not show up in an investigation that has hardly begun.
My argument is solely based on the assumptions that you and others are making as to the definitive nature that this was purely motivated by a parking dispute, when that may or may not be the case.
So because there may have been more parking spaces available that gives credence to a religious motive?
And yet when people start shouting Allahu Akbar as they cut someone's head off the vast swathes of people go out of there way to say it has nothing to do with religion.
And yet when people start shouting Allahu Akbar as they cut someone's head off the vast swathes of people go out of there way to say it has nothing to do with religion.
What about Muslims who pump out propaganda, burning people alive, throwing gay men off buildings, cutting peoples heads off.
Are you including that?
Yup, that's just basic common sense.
No one is saying it has nothing to do with religion, just that you can't tar everyone with the same brush based on religion
I think this is needed for the simpletons
So 2 wrongs make a right ?? lol Do you realize how childish and pathetic that sounds ??
I think this is needed for the simpletons
So 2 wrongs make a right ?? lol Do you realize how childish and pathetic that sounds ??
Not necessarily, however it does lead to questions on whether that was the only motivation or whether their was an underlying reason on why the dispute over parking began and whether their was a specific targeting of these people for another reason.
What has that got to do with it. If a crime is religiously motivated then it is religiously motivated...again as with the above, the converse is also true. People can use religion for a motivation when in actual fact the motive is geopolitical or about other things such as land, resources and so on. Again, it can also be religious or racially motivated.
Things are not always black and white.