Actually Castiel didn't mention Jewish extremists - you did.
Terrorist Attack in Copenhagen, Denmark
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I have a lot jewish friends both here and in the States and they seem pretty successful to me.... but of course not all of them are. I'll bet you a tenner though that way more muslims are on benefits than jews.
the jewish stick is much more pleasant though.
oh, really? So terrorist threats and state collapse are two threats not prevalent in the middle east and not related to islam? try harder Castiel
Fair enough.
I'm not downplaying it, I'm showing it in context. You are more likely to be victim to a splinter republican terrorist attack than an Islamist one for example...the likelihood of either though is pretty slim compared to other issues in the world today.
I never said that. I never implied it. I rarely argue it either...I argur generally against equating Islamist ideologies with Islam in general and associating such ideologies as being indicative of all Muslims. I will, if anyone bothers to read such argue against Zoomie and his version of events as well.
I think that some of our governments reactions to perceived threats can affect our freedoms, but that's nothing to do with Islam, but more to do with extremism. There are not the same thing. Does Islam threaten our society?...only if you pander to the notion that Muslims are in some conspiratorial attempt to induce an Islamist state in the UK. I don't believe that for one minute, the vast majority of Muslims in the UK are just like you and I, more concerned with work, family and finances than whether some ayatollah demands this or that....
Try harder?.. To do what. Either read the actual evidence supplied or don't. I understand that you feel that our society is being overthrown by some Islamic global conspiracy, but that is not how it is perceived by those who know better than us.
It's the ones that aren't like you and me that are the problem. And you must concede they exist. Seemingly in increasing vocality and numbers.
How many splinter terrorist attacks have their been in the UK in the last ten years? How many Islamic...
Look at where in the literature...terrorism is listed as being a major threat in South East Asia, the UK is more like,y to be affected by employment issues and financial concerns.
It is amazing how people will selectively read what they want to suit whatever agenda they have.
But those things are by definition....boring, we love death as a species, no matter the volume of denial.
Look again. Central Asia including Russia too.
It's amazing how people will selectively read what they want to suit whatever agenda they have.
Neither...in the UK we face more threat from fiscal and economic crises, underemployment and unemployment being a great likelihood and having a greater impact on us.
Globally however, Interstate Conflict is higher on the risk and impact scale than Terrorism (and that is all Terrorism, not only Islamic Terrorism), along with Water Shortages, Infectious disease spread, Climate Change, and so on.
Islamic global conspiracy? Clutching at straws much? Where did I say that?
By the way, the links you provided states interstate conflict and social unrest in the middle east area. How is that not related to islam?
anyway, I'm off to bed watching a film....
tbc in 12-15 hours or so 
Look again. Central Asia including Russia too.
It's amazing how people will selectively read what they want to suit whatever agenda they have.
But strangely enough not in the UK or Europe. Also if you read the report (rather than just look at the map on the fly sheet, which incidently puts energy prices far higher on the agenda) it will explain that while we could in the past perceive non state terror groups such as Al Qaeda as a global threat, this trend is now in the opposite direction, with the advent of ISIL/ISIS showing movement toward terrorist groups acting more territorially and as nascent States rather than attacking western countries directly. So essentially large scale Islamist terrorist attacks in the UK are less likely rather than increasing, although they are increasing in regions where ISIS and groups like them are operating.
Also if you read the literature, Russia has a significant domestic terrorism situation, and has done for some years with the Chechens, so is not necessarily about Islamist anti western ideology, it also shows a lessening of terrorism in regions which have seen significant terrorist activity (such as Central Asian countries such as Afghanistan) with social instability and interstate conflicts being the greater threat, obviously fuelled by collapses in governance and tribal conflict in some of those regions.
To put Islamic terrorism in Europe in some kind of perspective, the European law Enforcement Agency report on terrorism 2014 shows that the vast majority of terrorist attacks in Europe were separatist in nature and a total of 7 people killed in terrorist attacks in 2013, 1 of which was religiously inspired as they term it.
https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/publications/europol_tsat14_web_1.pdf
So to be honest, if you are really that worried about Islamic or religious terrorism and being victim to it, I wouldn't. You are more likely to be hit on the head and killed by a golfball.
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Islamic global conspiracy? Clutching at straws much? Where did I say that?
By the way, the links you provided states interstate conflict and social unrest in the middle east area. How is that not related to islam?
anyway, I'm off to bed watching a film....
That is what you are implying is it not, that your way of life is being directly threatened by Islam.
Just a little thought as well, just because States fight doesn't necessarily mean it is over religion...interstate conflict in the Middle East includes the Iran-Israel nuclear agenda, Jordan-Syrian tensions, Gaza-Israel tension and so on, the collapse of governance in Yemen is another. In these countries religion plays its part but the conflicts are generally geopolitical in nature, with the exception of Iraq and its Shia/Sunni conflict which is going on against a backdrop of ISIS state building and internecine wars in Iraq and Syria.
How that threatens your way of life directly though is probably going to be quite low down the list compared to interest rates, energy prices, employment, government funding of public services and the weather.
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While reporting wise what you say is correct, perception wise, terrorism by its nature will always have a great effect than the actions themselves. Economically, disruption wise, the mere thought of a bomb threat closes down a town for a day currently, as they seek to take no chances.
Terrorism will always have a disproportionate amount spent upon it, and will always cause disruption more than its worth, but of course economic crisis is more likely to have greater effect in the uk than terrorism, just as flodding will have more of an effect than earthquakes.
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You can only in lude those who want to be.
For those who don't you have to try generations worth of education to see if you can chnage their minds and have them want to be included also, then include them.
Issues arise if their fundamental belief that you are wrong and should be subjugated or converrted for being wrong cant be shaken or removed. Then you have isis and your decision is to contIn them, or exterminate them, good luck with either.
Frankly, the government needs to take over the Islamic faith school and drill into the kids there it's not OK to be homophobic, misogynist and be proud to be English. The after that generation grow up we'd have a lot less problems then we do now