Should stoned driving be legal?

You know how they came up with the cannabis leads to psychological problems? they literally asked mentally ill people in mental hospitals if they had ever taken cannabis. They then came to the conclusion that it must be the cannabis that caused their problems, even though those same people have taken bucket loads of pharmaceuticals with side effects as long as my arm and alcohol and who knows what else. All of that is irrelevant, as soon as cannabis use is found then that is blamed. Not to mention the millions of people that smoke it every day and do not have mental health problems.

How about some positive stories about cannabis? how about terminally ill people living normal lives because of cannabis use? Why is that not brought up when cannabis use is discussed?

http://www.newscientist.com/article...sis-link-is-only-half-the-cannabis-story.html

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/...tm_campaign=Feed:+TheRawStory+(The+Raw+Story)

Does alcohol or any other illegal or legal drug have so many health benefits as cannabis? nope. Cannabis even helps PTSD sufferers.

The evidence is growing, to the point where purified cannabidiol is being tested as a possible treatment for psychosis in people with schizophrenia. A company called GW Pharmaceuticals in Cambridge, UK, is testing it in 80 individuals with schizophrenia split between the UK, Poland and Romania to see if it reduces their risk of psychosis.
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Wow surprise, the complete opposite to the normal lies that the home office funds.

Let us keep going...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/comment/t...the-new-cannabis-study-121508557.html#ENIxMk6
 
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anything I don't mind said:
You know how they came up with the cannabis leads to psychological problems? they literally asked mentally ill people in mental hospitals if they had ever taken cannabis. They then came to the conclusion that it must be the cannabis that caused their problems, even though those same people have taken bucket loads of pharmaceuticals with side effects as long as my arm and alcohol and who knows what else. All of that is irrelevant, as soon as cannabis use is found then that is blamed. Not to mention the millions of people that smoke it every day and do not have mental health problems.

How about some positive stories about cannabis? how about terminally ill people living normal lives because of cannabis use? Why is that not brought up when cannabis use is discussed?

http://www.newscientist.com/article...sis-link-is-only-half-the-cannabis-story.html

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/...tm_campaign=Feed:+TheRawStory+(The+Raw+Story)

Does alcohol or any other illegal or legal drug have so many health benefits as cannabis? nope. Cannabis even helps PTSD sufferers.
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No-one said that Cannabis is not harmless to many people, or that it does not have some positive effects, or that it does not help many people live pain-free lives... but that does not change the fact that prolonged and/or heavy use DOES have some bad effects in many people.

. Anyway, you seem like the stereotypically dim proponent of cannabis who waxes lyrical about it and yet is unwilling to listen to any valid negative points, so forgive me if I don't respond any further to your child-like levels of reasoning.
 
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No, it shouldn't, and there isn't a single argument that can be taken seriously against this.
 
anything I don't mind said:
See what i was saying. Its like talking to people who have been brainwashed all their lives on the subject. Its completely pointless. You might as well just walk in to the police station now and hand your self in if you ever smoked cannabis because a) you may need to go in to a padded sell b) you may be a risk on the road for the rest of your life.
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Are you disregarding the massive study that was posted in the past week on 1in4 new psychoses being due to the use of skunk?
What do you find inherently wrong in the methodology of the study?
On what grounds are you refuting the evidence?
 
A new book chasing the scream by english author Johann Hari.

http://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/chasing-the-scream-9781408857854/

It is now one hundred years since drugs were first banned in the United States. On the eve of this centenary, journalist Johann Hari set off on an epic three-year, thirty-thousand-mile journey into the war on drugs. What he found is that more and more people all over the world have begun to recognize three startling truths: Drugs are not what we think they are. Addiction is not what we think it is. And the drug war has very different motives to the ones we have seen on our TV screens for so long.

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Chasing the Scream lays bare what we really have been chasing in our century of drug war—in our hunger for drugs, and in our attempt to destroy them. This book will challenge and change how you think about one of the most controversial—and consequential—questions of our time.
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A great new book on prohibition. Time to end prohibition everyone agrees except the people stuck in the past.

 
Hikari Kisugi said:
Are you disregarding the massive study that was posted in the past week on 1in4 new psychoses being due to the use of skunk?
What do you find inherently wrong in the methodology of the study?
On what grounds are you refuting the evidence?
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That study is complete bogus non sense. Like i said, all they did was ask crazy people if they ever smoked cannabis, hardly scientific.
 
Richdog said:
No-one said that Cannabis is not harmless to many people, or that it does not have some positive effects, or that it does not help many people live pain-free lives... but that does not change the fact that prolonged and/or heavy use DOES have some bad effects in many people.

. Anyway, you seem like the stereotypically dim proponent of cannabis who waxes lyrical about it and yet is unwilling to listen to any valid negative points, so forgive me if I don't respond any further to your child-like levels of reasoning.
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I wish i was a) as brilliant as you b) as intelligent as you. You honestly blow me away with your brilliance.
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
Are you disregarding the massive study that was posted in the past week on 1in4 new psychoses being due to the use of skunk?
What do you find inherently wrong in the methodology of the study?
On what grounds are you refuting the evidence?
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There are many studies that show the opposite, if you scrutinize any study there will be flaws you can argue with.

At the end of the day driving while stoned is not acceptable.

Anyone arguing otherwise is probably stoned or stupid.

As expected this thread has descended into pro and anti cannabis debate,
the Question has been answered. No, driving while under the influence is not a good idea and is and should be illegal

If people want to smoke it let them but not whilst driving.
 
Richdog said:
Seriously, severe and prolonged overuse of cannabis use can lead to schizophrenia or similar conditions in those people with existing (even if they don't realise it) psychological conditions.

As for cannabis leading to crack and heroin, no of course it does not necessarily lead to those kind of hard drugs, but it does break down the psychological barrier to doing other forms of lighter recreational drugs such as ecstasy and LSD etc.
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cannabis isn't really a drug you take when clubbing.

I'm pretty sure alcohol is more a gateway to ecstasy and LSD etc

anyway is ecstasy really considered a light drug like lsd? it never was in my youth
 
There's no debate to be had. It's a resounding no to driving on any kind of substance that may alter your ability to drive.
Just like the pharmaceutical drugs with printed labels that state not to operate heavy machinery or drive.
 
arknor said:
cannabis isn't really a drug you take when clubbing.

I'm pretty sure alcohol is more a gateway to ecstasy and LSD etc

anyway is ecstasy really considered a light drug like lsd? it never was in my youth
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Who said LSD was a light drug!? Thats crazy, one of the worst IMO.
 
Wazz-1 said:
Who said LSD was a light drug!? Thats crazy, one of the worst IMO.
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LSD isn't one of the worst drugs, sure the media portray it as one of the worst drugs... if you abuse it then maybe but it has been known to help people who suffer with depression and anxiety, it is known to stop cluster headaches, also terminally ill people who have done it have said it has helped them come to terms with their impending doom. There is nothing wrong with psychedelics not in the slightest but like with everything else just don't abuse them.
 
Freefaller said:
That's my view on it.
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It's the only view to have if your only vested interest is safer roads. The only other school of thought comes from having a vested interest in using illicit substances and not being restricted in doing whatever you want.
 
Muz333 said:
There's no debate to be had. It's a resounding no to driving on any kind of substance that may alter your ability to drive.
Just like the pharmaceutical drugs with printed labels that state not to operate heavy machinery or drive.
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I think if cannabis was legalized and regulated we could have printed labels with warnings about operating heavy machinery. I certainly would not advise anyone to operate heavy machinery under the influence of any mind and mood altering substance. Especially some types of pharmaceuticals. Unfortunately there is no laws that stop pharmaceutical drug addicts from driving impaired.

Personally i have not seen from my own experience cannabis use contribute to poor driving abilities. I still would not recommend driving while stoned though. The other problem ios how they test for it. A cannabis user could easily pass all the walking drunk driving tests, ie walking in a straight line and spinning around etc, because cannabis does not impair balance and reaction times like alcohol does.
 
Von Smallhausen said:
Don't drink and drive. Don't drug and drive.

It really is that simple.
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+1

Yes it should be banned and yes you deserve the fine & ban!

People seem to forget that driving isn't a right, it's a privilege! You cause harm and put other road users at risk, that privilege deserves to be removed!
 
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