Should stoned driving be legal?

cHk4 said:
Good post, I can't really argue with what you've said but it can help with depression and anxiety, can't remember the case study but there are people out there who take small dosages and no longer require to take anti depresents for several months at a time.

The thing is though while there are negatives and things like you said with self-inflicted testicular amputation people also do some crazy stuff when under the influence of alcohol and other substances. While I believe and it is proven that abuse of the substance can lead to long term effects like what you've said I think it also comes down to the individual also, some people's mental state can be affected more than others. Again I know you've said about relatively small dosages can have adverse effects but that is the same with every substance pretty much from prescription painkillers to LSD, there will always be side effects which some people will be more sensitive to than others

I've never heard of HPPD so I will google that as it sounds interesting, does it affect your day to day life dramatically or are you used to it now?
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Yes I do agree.

With regard the HPPD, no it has no impact on my daily life and hardly notice it but it is always there. As I type I see it but only because I'm talking about it. I think it does differ from person to person, I don't have speed trails or visual snow, what I see is hard to describe, its like small chevrons and geometric shapes in greens and reds. If we were talking face to face stood about 4 feet apart it would appear on the end of you nose, if i look at a wall from 30 feet away I would appear larger, hard to explain.
Yes it caused me to worry that I had damage my eyes or was becoming mentally ill but only because I didn't understand.

Anyway im waffling:rolleyes:
 
Gilly said:
That's because 99% of people that imbibe alcohol never move onto illicit substances, rendering the entire post moot.
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I would say a hell of a lot more than 1% of alcohol drinkers will take illicit substances at some point.

Either way, driving under the influence of any mind altering substance be that illegal of illegal should be illegal. The consequences should be equal.
 
as much as I'm pro for legalisation of cannabis for medical and recreational purposes, I do not think driving under the influence of any substance is a good idea or should be legal. You don't learn to drive drunk/stoned or what have you so don't do it after you have completed your test!
 
murah said:
as much as I'm pro for legalisation of cannabis for medical and recreational purposes, I do not think driving under the influence of any substance is a good idea or should be legal.
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I agree.

There also has to have studies to determine the influence down the line and changes made to reflect. Someone can have a joint and a week later get tested and fired/arrested where as people can take coke, heroin or even crack and it not be in their system a week later. I also know people that use coke or speed on a night out as it will be out of their system by Monday morning where as they could have a joint and it not.

I also know a lot of people that smoke weed at night in their own home and have perfectly normal lives and do not have an issue functioning as a normal person but should they be tested they would get in trouble.
 
The tests cannot differentiate between having active THC in your blood and in-active , therein lies the problem

Have a smoke a day before being tested , not stoned but it still would show up
 
Wazz-1 said:
Yes I do agree.

With regard the HPPD, no it has no impact on my daily life and hardly notice it but it is always there. As I type I see it but only because I'm talking about it. I think it does differ from person to person, I don't have speed trails or visual snow, what I see is hard to describe, its like small chevrons and geometric shapes in greens and reds. If we were talking face to face stood about 4 feet apart it would appear on the end of you nose, if i look at a wall from 30 feet away I would appear larger, hard to explain.
Yes it caused me to worry that I had damage my eyes or was becoming mentally ill but only because I didn't understand.

Anyway im waffling:rolleyes:
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There are a number of perceptual changes that can accompany HPPD. Typical symptoms of the disorder include: halos or auras surrounding objects
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So all those nutjobs who claim to be able to see people's Auras are most likely suffering from HPPD.

Can't wait for the next one
 
estebanrey said:
Some of the more dismissive posters need to watch this and heed the last minute from Mr Wilson (who sums up my view perfectly)....

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Yes because every driver already knows what it is that is going to happen on their journey, don't they?

Fundamentally flawed experiement is fundamentally flawed.

I could probably do the same tests just as well after 4 pints of Stella. Could I still stop in time if a child ran out in front of me though?
 
Richdog said:
I have seen people drinking no alcohol have a few tokes of a strong spliff and end up battered. It's perfectly possible.
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Been there, done that.

You pick one or the other for the evening- or smoke, THEN drink. Having a few drinks, then a spliff is a recipe for passing out!

*many years have passed, and I do not advocate the use of illegal substances. Yer Honour.

EDIT Derp early morning post-reading failure. Harrumph.

Anyway, no.
 
I'm pro-legalisation, but this should still be illegal. Although there needs to be much better tests so that people who go high the week before aren't caught out.
 
I'm a regular smoker and a car driver, while i believe smoking should be legal i don't believe driving while stoned should be.

However there is a lot of misinformation in this thread from people who're biased one way or another, and may well never have experienced what they're talking about. There is a number of other studies that suggest stoned driving isn't as bad as drink driving. Getting stoned like drinking has a number of levels, smoking a small amount and driving is barely going to make a difference. However smoking does increase reaction time, which is never good for operating heavy machinery or driving, the reason the studies suggest it's better than drink driving is normally because stoned drivers drive slower, and far more cautiously simply because they're high.


I do not believe it should be legal simply because of the potential for a problem with increased reaction time, but most of the people who are rallying against it in here have no experience with it, and don't fully understand what they're talking about, rather than basing their views on their on views of Pot as a whole.


TL;DR - Legalize weed, don't legalize driving high.

EDIT: While this is not a scientific study, or large sample size, this is an interesting video. I post it not to say one way or another whether it should be legal to drive high, but for people to maybe look at it objectively and if they have no experience with being high, hear the comments from the driving instructor about the driving capabilities of the people while smoking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw1HavgoK9E
 
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AtticusFinch said:
Driving under the influence of something which is affecting your motor skills and mental capacity is not something to be encouraged.
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That could argued about anything though. Being angry, upset, morning you versus night you etc....

If you didn't drive every time you were experiencing something that can affect your ability you'd never drive.
 
Joshct said:
I'm a regular smoker and a car driver, while i believe smoking should be legal i don't believe driving while stoned should be.

However there is a lot of misinformation in this thread from people who're biased one way or another, and may well never have experienced what they're talking about. There is a number of other studies that suggest stoned driving isn't as bad as drink driving. Getting stoned like drinking has a number of levels, smoking a small amount and driving is barely going to make a difference. However smoking does increase reaction time, which is never good for operating heavy machinery or driving, the reason the studies suggest it's better than drink driving is normally because stoned drivers drive slower, and far more cautiously simply because they're high.

I do not believe it should be legal simply because of the potential for a problem with increased reaction time, but most of the people who are rallying against it in here have no experience with it, and don't fully understand what they're talking about, rather than basing their views on their on views of Pot as a whole.

TL;DR - Legalize weed, don't legalize driving high.

EDIT: While this is not a scientific study, or large sample size, this is an interesting video. I post it not to say one way or another whether it should be legal to drive high, but for people to maybe look at it objectively and if they have no experience with being high, hear the comments from the driving instructor about the driving capabilities of the people while smoking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw1HavgoK9E
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I have much, much experience on the subject. Mis-spent youth.

The point is not that driving stoned is "better" than driving drunk, the point is that it still creates a significant risk. These "studies" you are referring to showing it as "better"... would be good if you took the time to reference and link them.

estebanrey said:
That could argued about anything though. Being angry, upset, morning you versus night you etc....

If you didn't drive every time you were experiencing something that can affect your ability you'd never drive.
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Are you really comparing an emotional state to a drug? Goodness grief.
 
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