Unemployed yoof to pick up litter in return for benefits...

These ideas are never bad on first reading, but the devil is in the details.

Ie, it would be just like the Tories to have these "yoofs" work for a private company providing these services. So that company gets to have unpaid labour whilst billing the tax payer for providing said service.

This is the kind of thing they love to do, which turns a half-decent idea into a money-spinning opportunity for their mates (who own the private company providing the service).

Frankly, the Tories could not run an honest, corruption free public works scheme if they tried. They are just too bent, and it runs right through from top to bottom. So yeah, decent idea, but watch it become instantly contentious when we find out the details of how it will be run.
 
FoxEye said:
These ideas are never bad on first reading, but the devil is in the details.

Ie, it would be just like the Tories to have these "yoofs" work for a private company providing these services. So that company gets to have unpaid labour whilst billing the tax payer for providing said service.

This is the kind of thing they love to do, which turns a half-decent idea into a money-spinning opportunity for their mates (who own the private company providing the service).

Frankly, the Tories could not run an honest, corruption free public works scheme if they tried. They are just too bent, and it runs right through from top to bottom. So yeah, decent idea, but watch it become instantly contentious when we find out the details of how it will be run.
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This, bang on. Do people really expect this scheme to include altruistic community projects, like volunteering for a local charity, more like shelf stacking for Daves mate down the local 99p shop. Conservative joke.
 
FoxEye said:
These ideas are never bad on first reading, but the devil is in the details.

Ie, it would be just like the Tories to have these "yoofs" work for a private company providing these services. So that company gets to have unpaid labour whilst billing the tax payer for providing said service.

This is the kind of thing they love to do, which turns a half-decent idea into a money-spinning opportunity for their mates (who own the private company providing the service).

Frankly, the Tories could not run an honest, corruption free public works scheme if they tried. They are just too bent, and it runs right through from top to bottom. So yeah, decent idea, but watch it become instantly contentious when we find out the details of how it will be run.
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Any examples?
 
Dj_Jestar said:
Any examples?
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Did you miss the whole fiasco where Poundland et al were getting free labour courtesy of the tax payer?

That was one of IDS's fantastic ideas.

I've also seen it first hand. Since our local council turned from LibDem to Tory, they sold off large swathes of public services to BT. Who then creamed off millions before dismissing 50% of all staff. The service provided is now considered a complete joke in comparison, and is getting steadily worse.
 
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FoxEye said:
Did you miss the whole fiasco where Poundland et al were getting free labour courtesy of the tax payer?

That was one of IDS's fantastic ideas.
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Where was the link between The Tories and "their mates" ?


These are honest questions. I'm aware of the zero-hour contract scandal, but that wasn't a Tory thing anyway, and is obviously not in favour of the cheap labour.
 
FoxEye said:
Did you miss the whole fiasco where Poundland et al were getting free labour courtesy of the tax payer?

That was one of IDS's fantastic ideas.

I've also seen it first hand. Since our local council turned from LibDem to Tory, they sold off large swathes of public services to BT. Who then creamed off millions before dismissing 50% of all staff. The service provided is now considered a complete joke in comparison, and is getting steadily worse.
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Reply to your edit: Which services did they sell? Is there also any evidence they actually creamed money off?
 
Dj_Jestar said:
"These are honest questions" met with "Bwhahahahhahahahaahhaha"

A real demonstration of your level of intelligence. I'm asking for some information - how else is one to learn about these things?
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When a single party receives 50% of total individual donations (compared to 12% for Labour to use as a point of comparison), or 66% of all business donations (compared to 11% for Labour). It should be hardly surprising that donors interests will have an impact, not to mention with them openly selling one on one time with cabinet members at a gala dinner for supporters.

There is a long line of donors receiving jobs, preferential business contracts & other benefits so this kind of behaviour should be expected. (not to say this doesn't occur with all political parties, it clearly does - this is in reference to the scale & the social impact)

Regarding "individual pound land donor benefits for receipt of workfare" there is no direct connection so it may indeed be a coincidence (based on what I've been able to research). Saying that I would stress this may not be as simple as it appears as a notable portion of donors are connected to investors, ergo it's difficult to see directly who would be the beneficiaries of any policy change.

http://www.electoralcommission.org....ions/donations-and-loans-to-political-parties
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poundland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warburg_Pincus
 
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Dj_Jestar said:
"These are honest questions" met with "Bwhahahahhahahahaahhaha"

A real demonstration of your level of intelligence. I'm asking for some information - how else is one to learn about these things?
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What exactly are you looking for in your 'honest question', a clear cut facebook 'friend' connection, with at least 2 likes on Daves Dogs at Dinner (cute bowtie)? The funny thing about rates for mates is its incredibly obscure - something everybody does - and nobody talks about. You naturally favour the people you know, above the people you don't know. You also naturally favour associates of people you know. The chains go deep. Asking 'go on then, prove whos mates with dave', you might as well be asking which red blood cell eating bacterium is currently eating away at the mucus on his left nipple. The answer is, whos got the money, whos got the influence, who stands to gain from a conservative government? The result set of that question is your answer.
 
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What exactly are you looking for in your 'honest question', a clear cut facebook 'friend' connection, with at least 2 likes on Daves Dogs at Dinner (cute bowtie)? The funny thing about rates for mates is its incredibly obscure - something everybody does - and nobody talks about. You naturally favour the people you know, above the people you don't know. You also naturally favour associates of people you know. The chains go deep. Asking 'go on then, prove whos mates with dave', you might as well be asking which red blood cell eating bacterium is currently eating away at the mucus on his left nipple. The answer is, whos got the money, whos got the influence, who stands to gain from a conservative government? The result set of that question is your answer.
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No, just some information, and something a bit more substantial than "yeah I heard it happened to my local council" - such as that that elmarko has posted. You may go back to the playground now, as us adults are going to continue the conversation without you.
 
elmarko said:
When a single party receives 50% of total individual donations (compared to 12% for Labour to use as a point of comparison), or 66% of all business donations (compared to 11% for Labour). It should be hardly surprising that donors interests will have an impact, not to mention with them openly selling one on one time with cabinet members at a gala dinner for supporters.

There is a long line of donors receiving jobs, preferential business contracts & other benefits so this kind of behaviour should be expected. (not to say this doesn't occur with all political parties, it clearly does - this is in reference to the scale & the social impact)

Regarding "individual pound land donor benefits for receipt of workfare" there is no direct connection so it may indeed be a coincidence (based on what I've been about to research). Saying that I would stress this may not be as simple as it appears as a notable portion of donors are connected to investors, ergo it's difficult to see directly who would be the beneficiaries of any policy change.

http://www.electoralcommission.org....ions/donations-and-loans-to-political-parties
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poundland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warburg_Pincus
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Thanks. The devil's advocate in me is screaming that there is no causal link and it is just speculation - it's certainly not as concrete as seeing the trade unions literally decide who should be in charge of the Labour party, for example. I've no doubt that some leaning happens with these donations, I just wanted to get an idea of how much and if it's anywhere near as much as the more.. speculative members in this thread are spouting.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
No, just some information, and something a bit more substantial than "yeah I heard it happened to my local council" - such as that that elmarko has posted. You may go back to the playground now, as us adults are going to continue the conversation without you.
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I see you have met BunnyKillBot. She/he will entertain you nicely and keep you on your toes.
 
I uploaded my CV last week and have had repeated phonecalls (I am 26 btw, finished study at 23).

There really is no excuse for being unemployed >6 months in 2015.
You are either not trying or pitching yourself for a job too high.

I think this is a great idea, but as it seems like common sense some human rights ponce will probably try to stop it.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
Thanks. The devil's advocate in me is screaming that there is no causal link and it is just speculation - it's certainly not as concrete as seeing the trade unions literally decide who should be in charge of the Labour party, for example. I've no doubt that some leaning happens with these donations, I just wanted to get an idea of how much and if it's anywhere near as much as the more.. speculative members in this thread are spouting.
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people aren't giving donations and getting nothing in return it is the greasing of palms and to the common man bribery and corruption but of course the elite live by a different set of criminal laws
 
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