D3D12 articles - so much misunderstandings and miscommunications

[drunkenmaster]

Point out which part of my post was actually rude and not just you being upset I described what you said as nonsense.

On the other hand you DID profess to be clued up on DX12 stating that other people expecting games fast 'will be mistaken.' You posted that as fact, you didn't suggest it was a possibility, you were presenting yourself as knowledgeable on the subject. Then when called on whatever it is you are currently claiming you back-peddle like your life depending on it.

We know as fact that DX12 is backwards compatible with GCN and various levels of it are backwards compatible with Nvidia gpu's all the way back to Fermi. You're trying to present it as a guess to imply that you might not be wrong, except you are.

But you have accused me of being rude in two posts, you've misrepresented both of our posts and you have called me a keyboard warrior. You claim facts that are widely known and stated by everyone(devs, ms, AMD, Nvidia) as guesses by me because you want to look less wrong.

There is one poster being rude and it isn't me. Not using expletives or personal insults doesn't make your posts less rude. You constantly disparage everyone else when you post, sly digs, backhanded insults, labelling people a keyboard warrior merely for pointing out where you were wrong.

I could break down your post even further to point out how rude and incorrect it is, again, but I think I'll save that for later maybe.

no screw it, that post is so easy to tear apart line by line I'll do it.

Well even when I disagree with people, I try my utmost to maintain civility. Something a few others could learn by.

clearly not because this part isn't civil, in your round about way you just accused me of not being civil.

Now I don't profess to be clued up on DX12

yes you do/did.

and DM doesn't know either

yes I do, backwards compatibility is a fact

so when neither of us know,

wrong, because Nvidia, AMD, MS have told us this as fact.

does his response require rudeness?

wasn't rude, 2-3 other people have told you it wasn't rude, point out the part that was rude

I don't think so but hey, keyboard warriors and all that

you don't think being rude is required... so you respond to a post that isn't rude with an insult... taking us back to that first line about you maintaining civility...no you sure as hell don't. The gall of it is, I wasn't rude in the first place, you just didn't like me pointing out you were wrong so you accused me of being rude then further posted to point out how you are so much better than the rude posters(implying me) then once again making crap up and then insulting me for good measure. But you're civil, because while posting about imaginary rudeness you insult people.... sure.

So DX12 will be very easy and backward compatible according to DM... Now we wait and see.

No, backwards compatibility is a fact and you once again misrepresented what I said and in fact lied about the first claim as well.

What I actually said was

it will likely be easier to get a game working on DX12/Mantle then add in DX11

So misrepresenting what I said... again.

 

[Gregster]

Spoiler

Point out which part of my post was actually rude and not just you being upset I described what you said as nonsense.

On the other hand you DID profess to be clued up on DX12 stating that other people expecting games fast 'will be mistaken.' You posted that as fact, you didn't suggest it was a possibility, you were presenting yourself as knowledgeable on the subject. Then when called on whatever it is you are currently claiming you back-peddle like your life depending on it.

We know as fact that DX12 is backwards compatible with GCN and various levels of it are backwards compatible with Nvidia gpu's all the way back to Fermi. You're trying to present it as a guess to imply that you might not be wrong, except you are.

But you have accused me of being rude in two posts, you've misrepresented both of our posts and you have called me a keyboard warrior. You claim facts that are widely known and stated by everyone(devs, ms, AMD, Nvidia) as guesses by me because you want to look less wrong.

There is one poster being rude and it isn't me. Not using expletives or personal insults doesn't make your posts less rude. You constantly disparage everyone else when you post, sly digs, backhanded insults, labelling people a keyboard warrior merely for pointing out where you were wrong.

I could break down your post even further to point out how rude and incorrect it is, again, but I think I'll save that for later maybe.

no screw it, that post is so easy to tear apart line by line I'll do it.



clearly not because this part isn't civil, in your round about way you just accused me of not being civil.


yes you do/did.


yes I do, backwards compatibility is a fact

wrong, because Nvidia, AMD, MS have told us this as fact.


wasn't rude, 2-3 other people have told you it wasn't rude, point out the part that was rude


you don't think being rude is required... so you respond to a post that isn't rude with an insult... taking us back to that first line about you maintaining civility...no you sure as hell don't. The gall of it is, I wasn't rude in the first place, you just didn't like me pointing out you were wrong so you accused me of being rude then further posted to point out how you are so much better than the rude posters(implying me) then once again making crap up and then insulting me for good measure. But you're civil, because while posting about imaginary rudeness you insult people.... sure.



No, backwards compatibility is a fact and you once again misrepresented what I said and in fact lied about the first claim as well.

What I actually said was



So misrepresenting what I said... again.

I guessed you missed the part where I said I don't have a clue but thanks for being so rude.

 

[Ayahuasca]

It's pure speculation from both sides whether the uptake of DX12 in games will be quick or not. What DM said does seem logical but in the PC gaming world who knows what the devs will do.

 

[Wizzfizz]

DM talks logical sense

Like I've already pointed out, I won't be upgrading my OS for a good 6-8 months, so by then there should be a few half decent titles out (no crappy ports). Maybe by then I'll upgrade from this 580.

 

[humbug]

I think its cute that Andy lost his head again because i made a counter argument to a not too well thought out statement.

 

[meldarthx]

I dont think it, widespread reports from analysts who do actual research on actual sales data tell me that games console software sells less than PC gaming
There are lots of games that are PC exclusive and have massive revenues, over a billion a year, no single console game has taken more than a billion a year by the time you take PC sales out of the gross figure.

Yes PS4 outsells PC in aaa boxed games, but even then most aaa sales data you see ignores digital sales.

Andy do you really want to say that cause I can name one that makes your statement completely false; because its not released its PC version yet....and its the highest selling game of all time

Its only on the console.......it did it in a week......*if I remember correctly*

 

[shankly1985]

I dont think it, widespread reports from analysts who do actual research on actual sales data tell me that games console software sells less than PC gaming
There are lots of games that are PC exclusive and have massive revenues, over a billion a year, no single console game has taken more than a billion a year by the time you take PC sales out of the gross figure.

Yes PS4 outsells PC in aaa boxed games, but even then most aaa sales data you see ignores digital sales.

Lets look at them Battlefield 4 stats, one the biggest FPS games on all Platforms..

Current - as of this post - PC 22,909 ps4 29,325, Xone 8,816 - Now lets look at the total for all console vs PC for a 24 hour Peak PC - 37,750 - Console 121,047 people played BF4 in the last 24 hours..

That includes Downloaded copies from Both console and PC...

Look up any other game that gives this numbers and you see! Console always have the bigger player base.. And they even pay much more for each game.

http://bf4stats.com/

 

[humbug]

Another thing thats missing from this is the fact that most games are developed first for Consoles and then ported to PC.

 

[Mei]

Lets look at them Battlefield 4 stats, one the biggest FPS games on all Platforms..

Current - as of this post - PC 22,909 ps4 29,325, Xone 8,816 - Now lets look at the total for all console vs PC for a 24 hour Peak PC - 37,750 - Console 121,047 people played BF4 in the last 24 hours..

That includes Downloaded copies from Both console and PC...

Look up any other game that gives this numbers and you see! Console always have the bigger player base.. And they even pay much more for each game.

http://bf4stats.com/

i duno how so many play fps with a controller
im also surprised ppl will pay that much for a video game!

they pretty fun games but i dont think worth the £50 that they get away with charging, i only get to play them games when they are gifted to me lol
tho hardline was pretty fun in beta

 

[TheRealDeal]

i duno how so many play fps with a controller
im also surprised ppl will pay that much for a video game!

they pretty fun games but i dont think worth the £50 that they get away with charging, i only get to play them games when they are gifted to me lol
tho hardline was pretty fun in beta

I can play Fps on either and enjoy it but if i was taking a game serious i would be playing with Keyboard and Mouse everyday of the week. There is more and more gaming allowing you to use a mouse and Keyboard on the console side now as well. Am not sure about the likes of Cod and Battlefield.

The best thing about console gaming on Fps games is you are not playing against any cheats. Pc gaming is rife with aimbots and wallhacks which frustrate the life out of me.

 

[Mei]

I can play Fps on either and enjoy it but if i was taking a game serious i would be playing with Keyboard and Mouse everyday of the week. There is more and more gaming allowing you to use a mouse and Keyboard on the console side now as well. Am not sure about the likes of Cod and Battlefield.

The best thing about console gaming on Fps games is you are not playing against any cheats. Pc gaming is rife with aimbots and wallhacks which frustrate the life out of me.

lol is it rly cheats or is it the fear of cheats that messes with ur brain?
but yeh i guess it cuts down on the possibility more than something like punkbuster does
hacks have killed a lot of good games on the pc which is sad i agree

 

[TheRealDeal]

lol is it rly cheats or is it the fear of cheats that messes with ur brain?
but yeh i guess it cuts down on the possibility more than something like punkbuster does
hacks have killed a lot of good games on the pc which is sad i agree

No it's just cheats in General. It only takes one to ruin a round as they are so over powered with someone decent using them. I like a fair playing field when i game. Lucky for me i am quit a calm guy so none of my stuff gets broke. I do know some ragers though that have put there fist through monitors and kicked there PC lol. Tbh i no longer play the big franchises like Cod and Bf so things might have improved.

 

[bru]

Another thing thats missing from this is the fact that most games are developed first for Consoles and then ported to PC.

What is really sad about this is the fact that these games are developed first for the consoles on PC's than ported back to the PC and they still manage to make a hash of it most of the time.

 

[humbug]

No it's just cheats in General. It only takes one to ruin a round as they are so over powered with someone decent using them. I like a fair playing field when i game. Lucky for me i am quit a calm guy so none of my stuff gets broke. I do know some ragers though that have put there fist through monitors and kicked there PC lol. Tbh i no longer play the big franchises like Cod and Bf so things might have improved.

Games like BF / CoD are getting pretty bad.

BF4 as an example, the cheating comes in waves.

It takes a while for them to find the cheats, when they do they ban on mass, you can actually tell when thats happened as the game dynamics change, suddenly there are a lot less of those WTF????? moments, the hit regs, time to kill and all that is suddenly consistent, and you get an instant big boost up BF Gloabal Stats without even playing around.

A short while later the maps are suddenly packed with noob ranked players, and i do mean packed as they easily out number higher ranked players. The game dynamics turn back to a horrible WTF?????? every 10 seconds state.... within hours your BF Global Stats fall off a cliff as all those 'new' players rack up huge K/D's and scores.

IMO it says a lot about the state of a game and cheating in it when you can feel the times when Dice/EA find the hacks and when those hacking find another way round it like an earthquake.

It's pretty bad and its only going to get worse as BF4 loses support of its developers with age.

Its getting near time of unistaling it, like BF3 which is now unplayable.

 

[SiDeards73]

http://www.littletinyfrogs.com/article/460524/DirectX_11_vs_DirectX_12_oversimplified

Pay very very close attention to GDC this year. Even if you’re an OpenGL fan. NVidia, AMD, Microsoft, Intel and Sony have a unified goal. Something is about to happen. Something wonderful.

Brad Wardells blog, its a recap of his recent podcast interview with the Xbone dudes, however it has a lot of DX12 info and that last comment i quoted was pretty interesting

 

[humbug]

http://www.littletinyfrogs.com/article/460524/DirectX_11_vs_DirectX_12_oversimplified



Brad Wardells blog, its a recap of his recent podcast interview with the Xbone dudes, however it has a lot of DX12 info and that last comment i quoted was pretty interesting

Starts on the 3'rd next month.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Games like BF / CoD are getting pretty bad.

BF4 as an example, the cheating comes in waves.

It takes a while for them to find the cheats, when they do they ban on mass, you can actually tell when thats happened as the game dynamics change, suddenly there are a lot less of those WTF????? moments, the hit regs, time to kill and all that is suddenly consistent, and you get an instant big boost up BF Gloabal Stats without even playing around.

A short while later the maps are suddenly packed with noob ranked players, and i do mean packed as they easily out number higher ranked players. The game dynamics turn back to a horrible WTF?????? every 10 seconds state.... within hours your BF Global Stats fall off a cliff as all those 'new' players rack up huge K/D's and scores.

IMO it says a lot about the state of a game and cheating in it when you can feel the times when Dice/EA find the hacks and when those hacking find another way round it like an earthquake.

It's pretty bad and its only going to get worse as BF4 loses support of its developers with age.

Its getting near time of unistaling it, like BF3 which is now unplayable.

Yea that about sums up the last 3rd person shooter i played. The game was great to play straight after a big ban but slowly but surely the cheats came back.

 

[Mei]

No it's just cheats in General. It only takes one to ruin a round as they are so over powered with someone decent using them. I like a fair playing field when i game. Lucky for me i am quit a calm guy so none of my stuff gets broke. I do know some ragers though that have put there fist through monitors and kicked there PC lol. Tbh i no longer play the big franchises like Cod and Bf so things might have improved.

i played counterstrike back before it went to steam where unless it was comp play there was no checks at all, from experience i say the paranoia of cheating is the main thing here over real cheats! everyone who has got to a certain standard in the game has had hack calls

a good player is much less likely to call hacks without watching that person for a good while in spectator, where as the masses just call hacks everytime they get shot thru a wall or whatever, so yeh thats why i say its just the possibility of hacks that ruins it for most people, the bad players and the good lol - it did hurt the fps scene on the pc pretty hard and made it less fun ><

 

[andybird123]

Lets look at them Battlefield 4 stats, one the biggest FPS games on all Platforms..

Current - as of this post - PC 22,909 ps4 29,325, Xone 8,816 - Now lets look at the total for all console vs PC for a 24 hour Peak PC - 37,750 - Console 121,047 people played BF4 in the last 24 hours..

That includes Downloaded copies from Both console and PC...

Look up any other game that gives this numbers and you see! Console always have the bigger player base.. And they even pay much more for each game.

http://bf4stats.com/

I already checked your link to one game, i also posted some links to articles that disagree with your conclusion, i believe the info in the articles more than taking one game, which isnt even the best selling console game, as an example of the total market, all it tells you is that PC gamers tend not to play console ports

30k players is nothing when we are talking about games that sell millions of copies, WoW has had a million concurrent online players, 30k or 100k is nothing

LoL had 27million players a day and 7.5million concurrent

 

[andybird123]

Andy do you really want to say that cause I can name one that makes your statement completely false; because its not released its PC version yet....and its the highest selling game of all time

Its only on the console.......it did it in a week......*if I remember correctly*

Dying Light is the quickest selling first month console game to date and the only info i can find is that it pushed total PS4 games sales to $625m in January, but that is total ps4 games, not just dying light, xbox sales were much lower, so i think youve got that wrong too unless you can link me?
Even if you could find total dying light revenue it would still include PC preorders.