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Psycho Sonny said:
Got my 4th Truth (VOG Gorgon Maze CP) and 3rd Hawkmoon (NF) still no jellyhorn.

Got 2 x atheon and 2 x crota still to do so another 6 potential chances at it for this week left.

but i'm seeing a lot more exotics drop lately, i think i got around 6 last week from a potential 10 drops. 2 from 4 so far this week.
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I keep forgetting about the Gorgon chest :( not that it helped this week, shards/engery from all 3 chars, nightfall not much better coins and leg. fusion rifle, still one to go so who knows. Sometimes RNG is good to you, other times it not, I always fall into the later one.
 
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zoomee said:
Anyone else noticed that Hard mode VoG has got more difficult? - moe splash damage from atheon, more bugs on oracles, even with regulars its taking a lot more time than it used to!!
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I think it's just people taking it a bit too lightly ;) VoG HM is much better balanced than either CE mode.....everyone has got to stay on their toes and concentrate.

Not had any major problems that last few times I've done it.
 
Andayle said:
Heh, I tried to do the nightfall solo last night, I couldn't even damage the first set of mobs lol and was very quickly squished. Is the nightfall the only way to get strange coins? Or am I completely at the mercy of random drops to get better gear? I also used a lfg website to team up, made it very clear on my gear and noobness, grouped up ok but about 5 minutes into the group some guy asks why the **** I'm in the group with the gear I have, before I can even reply on voice comms I'm kicked :(
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You get strange coins from the weekly heroic. The nightfall has random rewards, which could be shards, energy, coins, legendary weapons or exotic armor / weapons.

As for LFG, some people on there are stupidly elitest. Insisting on gjallarhorn and level 32 to do the level 30 Vault of Glass raid, which is preposterous since the raid was completed many times by many people when the max rank was 30. Your best bet if you want to raid is hook up with one of the OcUK groups. There are loads running every week on both platforms who are guaranteed to be much more friendly :) Check the Raid thread.

mid_gen said:
As I said, you need to read up on how random number generators work. The numbers they generate are both random, and 100% predictable. It may be difficult to grasp but it does make sense when you understand it.
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I'm no maths expert, but I at least did it until A level and have a reasonable understanding. How on earth can a number you generate be random, if you can predict ahead of the event what number will be generated. That isn't random number generating, that's sorting a pre determined list of numbers in an order according to a formula. Please, share with me some material I can use to read up on how you can generate a random number, but know for certain what that number will be ahead of it being generated. The whole point about the loot drops being based on RNG means you never know what you are going to get. Because its random. I would say that your nightfall rewards are a classic example of when its generated by RNG, there is no set formula that says you get Gjallarhorn on week 2, a Hard light on week 12 etc.. But that's exactly what they have with Xur. So XUR is not based on RNG.
 
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Yeah I have already posted in the raid thread, just waiting for a space to come up, I will definitely enjoy it more playing with people from here, everything seems a little more relaxed.
 
Just ignore the elitest idiots on LFG and find another group when you come across groups like that. You could however, Look out for the term "Raid Sherpa"

These are people who deliberately specialize in showing noobs through the raid. You could also possibly ask on LFG and ask if one can help you ? Might help those scanning LFG understand what you are looking for :)
 
Fr0dders said:
I'm no maths expert, but I at least did it until A level and have a reasonable understanding. How on earth can a number you generate be random, if you can predict ahead of the event what number will be generated. That isn't random number generating, that's sorting a pre determined list of numbers in an order according to a formula. Please, share with me some material I can use to read up on how you can generate a random number, but know for certain what that number will be ahead of it being generated.
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The basics of it is that a computer random number generator isn't truly random. You have to seed them with some kind of entropy to make them truly random. This is used a lot in multiplayer games to cut down on the amount of traffic you need to send between client and server to keep the gamestate in sync.

So for example, you setup and run an RNG like this on the server :

Code: 
Random rng = new Random(878695);

console.out(rng.next())
console.out(rng.next())
console.out(rng.next())

It outputs :

Code: 
1239567
1857943
8402450

Instead of sending all these random numbers over the network to the client, you just run the same code there :

Code: 
Random rng = new Random(878695);

console.out(rng.next())
console.out(rng.next())
console.out(rng.next())

and you get :

Code: 
1239567
1857943
8402450

Which is why this megaman guy can 'predict' what the next random number is going to be, but it's still the product of a random algorithm.


Anyway, if as he says the algorithm is being overidden and items replaced, then they sure are manipulating the results. I'm not surprised to hear that, I just hadn't seen any evidence previously that they had been.
 
think i just lucked out again, deathsinger just handed out 3 Ghorns,2 Suros and a NLB and guess who got NLB .......... well it wasnt me this time round so i dont care lol been after a suros for ages and i got one

happy days
 
So far this week I have been rewarded with:

NF=11 Coins
NF=Hawkmoon
NF=Badger

Atheon HM= 2 Warlock Helmets, Sparrow, Energy
Atheon HM= 1 Hunter Helmet, Ship, Shards

Exotic Chest = Shards
Exotic Chest = Shards, Class Item
Exotic Chest = Shards, Energy

Still got 1 Atheon HM, 3 Crota and 3 weekly to do.

Not looking like a good week.
 
mid_gen said:
The basics of it is that a computer random number generator isn't truly random. You have to seed them with some kind of entropy to make them truly random. This is used a lot in multiplayer games to cut down on the amount of traffic you need to send between client and server to keep the gamestate in sync.
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Ok this I understand, that when using the same seed over and over again with a random number generator you will always get the same order of "random" numbers.

But this takes us back to the point about them having control. They do not have to always use the same seed., This is how all the nightfall drops work, because it doesn't calculate everybody's random number for their loot drop using the same seed. Thus everybody gets something more representative of random.

This happens with the drops, as they don't use the same seed every time. But it appears Xur always calculates using the same seed, unlike the drops. They've admitted they do it this way as such when bungie said that they can see in advance what he can sell, but can't control it.

The latter is blatantly a lie.
 
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redrooster303 said:
Yeah I'll be on bud. I've done it with my 32 titan last night, got my warlock 30 to go now. Anyone else for 11.30?
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Pretty easy NF tbh, might just solo it on my warlock.

Radiant dance machines (shard) for me, that Arc version of The Cure with tracking could be pretty handy (did it roll field scout?), I don't think there are any standard arc tracking launchers.
 
zoomee said:
Anyone else noticed that Hard mode VoG has got more difficult? - moe splash damage from atheon, more bugs on oracles, even with regulars its taking a lot more time than it used to!!
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I've not noticed many more bugs, what I have noticed is the average player seems to be clueless on many of the relic mechanics in VoG so when it comes to their turn to use it things just go to ****. I'm assuming the main reason is a lot of them are newer players who aren't really sure what they're doing and they just rely on others to carry them. That wouldn't be a problem except it's hard to carry more than 2 players through Atheon due to how the encounter works. The thing is these players never speak up until after the **** has hit the fan, if they ever say anything at all.

These advertisements for specific requirements on destinyLFG for VoG are laughable and completely unnecessary but part of that may be due to ignorance on how level affects damage and damage taken on lower level enemies.
 
It's players skill levels and experience. Hard mode is only for experienced higher than average skill players.

I did the Maze, GK and Atheon 2 weeks ago 3 times in a row (across alt characters) in under 30 minutes with no Gjallahorns at all. Atheon went down on the second jump every time and we had 1 wipe total across all 3 runs (3 seperate raids).

Then last night we had 3 Gjallahorns and it took >30 minutes to beat GK once.

The difference is players skill levels not being good enough and some people have just been sitting about doing nothing being carried by higher skilled players in the past and thinking they were amazing at the game because they managed to beat him.

Also I've noticed that these players tend to blame others, bugs in the game, etc basically everything but themselves. If I mess up I own up to it. They don't ask for help or backup but say game bugged out on me and that is why I died. They don't know what guns to use either. Why are you bringing a 283 level scout rifle with no burn or oracle perk to do oracles? Another using a random hand cannon for oracles (not even fatebringer), like wtf?

But the proof is in the pudding I did it with a decent fireteam 3 times in a row in under 30 minutes with no gjallahorns and 1 wipe total, last night was wipe after wipe after wipe. You can tell within 5 runs whether your going to need to carry people or not.

I can hold mid on my own yet 3 of them couldn't hold the right gate between them on the second relic at GK.
 
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Chandler_90 said:
So far this week I have been rewarded with:

NF=Hawkmoon

Not looking like a good week.
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This would be a great week for me :confused:

Reeve said:
The thing is these players never speak up until after the **** has hit the fan, if they ever say anything at all.
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The run we did at the weekend was super frustrating because of this. Turned out only you, me and Moon knew how to use the relic lol
 
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Rocket launchers are more of a hindrance than a help on VoG HM, on pickup groups at least....I'm sure the #1 cause of death is people blowing themselves up. No real advantage over IB for gatekeepers, although a gjalla doesn't hurt.

Atheon goes down in 2 ports easy with everyone sniping....probably 1 with WoL and good timing.
 
LackyT said:
This would be a great week for me :confused:
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I was slightly confused as well :p

LackyT said:
The run we did at the weekend was super frustrating because of this. Turned out only you, me and Moon knew how to use the relic lol
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Yep, I was hoping I got ported every time so I could pick the relic up, once upon a time I used to do everything I could to avoid picking the relic up
 
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