Netanyahu: Iran a threat to the world.

Sliver · 3 Mar 2015 at 22:02

lemonade said:
Did you actually read that article you linked? It goes against what you are saying.

Plus you still haven't answered my question.

Well a lot depends on what you want to quote mine from the article. For example, I could quote this:

It is also true that Saudi Arabia and Qatar, believing that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad would soon fall and that Sunni political Islam was a true vehicle for their political goals, funded groups that had strongly Islamist credentials.

I'm sure you could pick another quote to support your argument.

Ultimately, you need to ask yourself if Saudi Arabia are or were complicit in supporting Al Quaeda or IS. My opinion is that they were/are.

stopper · 3 Mar 2015 at 22:10

OldCoals said:
He mentioned the Holocaust in that speech.

That's because it is one of the biggest and most important lies in history. He can use it to create leverage to get what he wants.

lemonade · 3 Mar 2015 at 22:11

Sliver said:
Well a lot depends on what you want to quote mine from the article. For example, I could quote this:

I'm sure could pick another quote to support your argument.

Ultimately, you need to ask yourself if Saudi Arabia are or were complicit in supporting Al Quaeda or IS. My opinion is that they were/are.

Did you read the quote? It is not about ISIS, but other Islamist factions, which I wrote about before, they support certain types of groups only, they would never support Al Qaida or ISIS in anyway, the question of arms they supplied falling into the hands of ISIS et al is another matter altogether, but they would never purposely support groups like ISIS because it would only come back to hurt them.

lemonade · 3 Mar 2015 at 22:12

stopper said:
That's because it is one of the biggest and most important lies in history. He can use it to create leverage to get what he wants.

What is a lie? :rolleyes:

Sliver · 3 Mar 2015 at 22:15

lemonade said:
Did you read the quote? It is not about ISIS, but other Islamist factions, which I wrote about before, they support certain types of groups only, they would never support Al Qaida or ISIS in anyway, the question of arms they supplied falling into the hands of ISIS et al is another matter altogether, but they would never purposely support groups like ISIS because it would only come back to hurt them.

Sorry but I'm a bit lost. I thought I was replying to you regarding a link which I provided, and yes I read. Not sure what you're on about now.

Danthus · 3 Mar 2015 at 22:22

stopper said:
That's because it is one of the biggest and most important lies in history. He can use it to create leverage to get what he wants.

Plenty of evidence to support the Holocaust.

Sliver · 3 Mar 2015 at 22:26

OldCoals said:
Plenty of evidence to support the Holocaust.

Indeed. There is a reason holocaust denial is a crime in some countries. The reason is that it is an abhorrent form of bigotry which is despised and abhorred by any decent human being.

Danthus · 3 Mar 2015 at 22:27

Sliver said:
Indeed. There is a reason holocaust denial is a crime in some countries. The reason is that it is an abhorrent form of bigotry which is despised and abhorred by any decent human being.

It shouldn't be a crime, if people are stupid enough to spout that rubbish, let them.

Sliver · 3 Mar 2015 at 22:29

OldCoals said:
It shouldn't be a crime, if people are stupid enough to spout that rubbish, let them.

No. Hate speech shouldn't be tolerated. When a society is so tolerant that it tolerates the intolerant, it has failed as a society.

Danthus · 3 Mar 2015 at 23:02

I would say quite the opposite.

RedDanDoc · 3 Mar 2015 at 23:06

Sliver said:
Indeed. There is a reason holocaust denial is a crime in some countries. The reason is that it is an abhorrent form of bigotry which is despised and abhorred by any decent human being.

Yes I agree though you should be allowed to question it and investigate it objectively without kissing your academic career goodbye.

B&W · 3 Mar 2015 at 23:35

Sliver said:
Iran is a theocracy. How many times do I have to repeat myself ? If you don't understand the dangers of a messianic theocracy with apocalyptic thermo nuclear devices then sorry, but I can't help you.

They are far more logical then Israel, Iran is talking with its historical enemy and trying to come to an agreement which will guarantee it a future.

Whereas Israel is constantly alienating every single country around it, oh yes it has nukes too and is highly paranoid with a persecution complex.

It also has great influence in the corridors of power of America which is very scary.

Now tell me who is the real danger.

Castiel · 3 Mar 2015 at 23:51

OldCoals said:
It shouldn't be a crime, if people are stupid enough to spout that rubbish, let them.

Quite. Outlawing opinions, no matter how wrongheaded, that's when society has failed.

Unless an opinion is specifically used as part of a wider method to include racial or religious hated then it should never be illegal just to ignore evidence. The opinion on its own should just be ignored.

B&W · 3 Mar 2015 at 23:55

thep02 said:
Japan didn't have any to drop on the USA, imho that was a large factor in the US decision to use theirs.

Because of Israel's massive nuclear arsenal and the brilliant IDF they are impossible to defeat in war it would be certain death and radioactive desolation for any fool who attacked them.

The 2006 Lebanon war wasn't a cake walk for them.

Not impossible to defeat them or any army. The moment you think that you've already lost.

Danthus · 4 Mar 2015 at 00:20

Castiel said:
Quite. Outlawing opinions, no matter how wrongheaded, that's when society has failed.

Unless an opinion is specifically used as part of a wider method to include racial or religious hated then it should never be illegal just to ignore evidence. The opinion on its own should just be ignored.

David Irving was smashed to pieces during his trial, it should have ended there.

Will21st · 4 Mar 2015 at 01:13

poor Sliver....

StriderX · 4 Mar 2015 at 06:27

Sooner or later, they will just end up killing each other, Israel is in the hilarious position that it would likely be one of the only nations to have provisions in the event of a global food shortage...this tends to invite unsavory attention to ones door.

I will watch with somber glee as it occurs.

Sliver · 4 Mar 2015 at 06:56

B&W said:
Whereas Israel is constantly alienating every single country around it, oh yes it has nukes too and is highly paranoid with a persecution complex.

Are you seriously trying to make the argument that Jews are not persecuted ? You sir are ridiculous if that is your view. I can't think of a more persecuted race than the Jews. History is replete with numerous examples of this. Do you ever read books ?

Sliver · 4 Mar 2015 at 06:59

Will21st said:
poor Sliver....

No need to offer me sympathy. You should be offering it to the people in this thread who seem to think Muslims are better than Jews and that Iran is lovely and smoochy while Israel is evil and yucky.

spoffle · 4 Mar 2015 at 07:19

Sliver said:
I adjust my response accordingly depending on what I'm offered. When I'm offered complete garbage, I reply like a 5 year old. When someone who actually has a well a thought opinion replies, I formulate a reply which is appropriate to the premise offered.

The problem is that you can't see much else bar garbage because you don't really respond to the things people actually say, ergo most of your responses are as if you were a 5 year old.

You really are the master of logical fallacies, you use them so well it's almost as if you're a very dedicated elaborate troll.