Conservative proposal to end 'end-to-end' encryption technologies

Terrorists can write their own (or pay someone to write them) applications that are end to end encrypted. Given that they don't care about the laws governing murder I imagine they won't be too fussed about breaking other laws.
 
Dolph said:
Do you think having services that, even in extremis, cannot be monitored in any way is actually a good idea? I don't.
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I do. The boogeyman of terror has been used to many times now.

What is far more important is ensuring that such powers are only used in extremis and with oversight. The problem with the internet at the moment is that the protections are not as robust as they should be when it comes to government data mining, but fixing that should be the focus of those who value liberty, not defending tools that can be used in highly inappropriate ways from oversight and ignoring the current flaws.
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Government both local and national have been proven, time and time again, that they cannot be trusted to provide regulation and protection against misuse. The way that RIPA has been systematically abused going as far as spying on people letting their digs foul should be more than enough reason to show that having back for access to encryption protocols is a very bad idea.

That's before we even get to the fact that the more secret parts of the Government have already been spying in a carte blanche fashion.
 
KIA said:
Impossible to enforce. Cameron has zero technical knowledge.
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Not just him though. Shocking lack of technology awareness at the higher levels of Government.

Worry more that people buy this kind of bull**** spouted because they've become cowed and willing to sell their privacy for 'protection' against the bogeyman.
 
Tefal said:
Ever spank a girl during sex?
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Nope.

gothic_hobbit said:
What about CCTV in your home ?
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Nope. That's just silly.

LordSplodge said:
Just because you live a comfortable, law abiding life doesn't mean you should not defend your right to privacy.

On that list, why are you bank details sacrosanct? You have drawn a line there, but would it be OK for the Government to just look at your bank details on a whim?

Anyway, whilst you may be happy sleepwalking towards a surveillance state, I am not.
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The government already have my bank details. They use them to send me money, which is nice I think. However, posting them on these forums would be a gross error of judgment I feel.
 
Sliver said:
Nope
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It's now potentially a crime to film yourself doing this, even if that video is never distributed. So you can be a criminal by recording yourself and your partner (with both parties consent) in the privacy of your own home.

Makes a mockery of the whole: "I've done nothing wrong..." diatribe.

Nope. That's just silly.
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Logical extension of having nothing to hide though. I thought you're a law abiding citizen?

The government already have my bank details. They use them to send me money, which is nice I think. However, posting them on these forums would be a gross error of judgment I feel.
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My employer (who just happens to be a branch of Government) pays me. Doesn't mean they have the right to snoop around seeing what I've spent though without a warrant and bloody good reason to get one.

You're previous post says it's ok for government to poke around in all my online activity, so why not extend this to other areas of my life?
 
LordSplodge said:
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Logical extension of having nothing to hide though. I thought you're a law abiding citizen?
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You're being silly though. No sane person would set up A CCTV system inside their own home. An exception might be if you spend a lot of time away and you want to use a system to monitor your home in case of burglary, which will alert you with a live image if an intruder enters. Aside from that, I see no point to it.

LordSplodge said:
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My employer (who just happens to be a branch of Government) pays me. Doesn't mean they have the right to snoop around seeing what I've spent though.
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Well currently they don't have that right, but if they did get that right, I really don't care. If they want to see what I spend my money on, so what ?
 
Sliver said:
No sane person would set up A CCTV system inside their own home.
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Lol. You're rather naive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-circuit_television#United_Kingdom

That Link said:
In the United Kingdom, the vast majority of CCTV cameras are not operated by government bodies, but by private individuals or companies, especially to monitor the interiors of shops and businesses. According to 2011 Freedom of Information Act requests, the total number of local government operated CCTV cameras was around 52,000 over the entirety of the UK.
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Sliver said:
You're being silly though. No sane person would set up A CCTV system inside their own home. An exception might be if you spend a lot of time away and you want to use a system to monitor your home in case of burglary, which will alert you with a live image if an intruder enters. Aside from that, I see no point to it.
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But your stance is that you have nothing to hide, so they can watch you all they want. It's a paraphrased recount of what you said earlier.

So if you have nothing to hide, what's the issue with governmental CCTV inside your home to make sure you don't have anything to hide?
 
Also.. you'd use CCTV to monitor your valuables whilst you are out, in your example. I suspect you'd include your computer as a valuable (at the least, a likely-to-be-nicked-in-a-burglary item).

Think of that the next time you bang one out when at your computer watching your grot of choice. Big Brother is watching you.
 
Sliver said:
If you're a good person who abides by the law, what's the problem. No harm no foul right ?
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Whenever a topic such as this is discussed online there is always someone who posts the above. Why? it's so stupid.

As to the OP, are there any specifics? I don't understand how it would be technically possible for the UK government to put a stop to end-to-end encryption.
 
Sliver said:
Ok, first off you only quoted part of what I said, so thanks for that. Secondly I was talking, and forgive me but I was clear, about the home. That wiki link doesn't appear to mention home use anywhere ? Or am I missing something ?
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Yes you are: Private individuals.
 
spoffle said:
But your stance is that you have nothing to hide, so they can watch you all they want. It's a paraphrased recount of what you said earlier.

So if you have nothing to hide, what's the issue with governmental CCTV inside your home to make sure you don't have anything to hide?
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Now you're being silly. I might have nothing to hide but I don't want to live in a zoo with people watching me shower, urinate, defecate, have sex with the gf, pick my nose, scratch my jewels etc. 24/7.
 
Sliver said:
You're being silly though. No sane person would set up A CCTV system inside their own home. An exception might be if you spend a lot of time away and you want to use a system to monitor your home in case of burglary, which will alert you with a live image if an intruder enters. Aside from that, I see no point to it.



Well currently they don't have that right, but if they did get that right, I really don't care. If they want to see what I spend my money on, so what ?
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Clearly having government CCTV in your house is taking things to extremes. But that's the point, you say you have nothing to hide, thus my CCTV a in your home example shows you actually do! Same goes for people not wanting encryption to be banned/compromised. Most don't really have anything interesting to hide but that doesn't mean that want to be monitored.

Oh, as for not having any issues about having your bank account viewed; well you should look at what just metadata alone can tell about somebody. Metadata that could easily be abused by government departments (I'll cite RIPA as an example of abuse *again* )
 
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