Tories consider limiting child benefit to three children

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31743031

Being the forum it is I can imagine this idea receiving quite allot of support, but before it's hailed as being the best thing since politically sliced bread I thought it would be interesting to see some different views on the matter.

My own view on the matter,

Will it reduce the number of children born?.

I doubt it, this is taking into account the fact that there is not proven correlation between reducing child welfare & a net reduction in population growth. In-fact by looking at other nations we see that the empowerment of women & availability of affordable contraception are strongest factor related to reducing population growth.

Is there a net economic benefit?.

If the above rings true, which there is no reason to think it will benefit us economically - what will be the long term social impact of increasing poverty for large families (if they do indeed continue to have children at the same rate).

Viewing the situation in the long term we already know that poverty (relative poverty/social exclusion & specifically child 'poverty') results in undesirable long term consequences. Be that crime, long term unemployment/inactivity or poor physical or mental health - we as the tax payer will be picking up the tab for this cost.

Based on the above, no I don't believe there will be any economic benefit either.

So we have a proposal with little chance of any economic benefit & virtually no chance of achieving any reduction in population growth.

Who pays the cost of this in reality?.

Children essentially, as child benefit is meant to ensure the child enjoys a certain standard of living - the most likely people to suffer as the result of this are children. Lets also add they are not responsible in any way for the breeding patterns of their parents in question, if anything this is a form of collective punishment.

So why consider it?.

Appeasement of a portion of society who care little for the intricacies of a given social problem & will hail this proposal as the silver bullet to end all woes. When in reality it will achieve nothing, cost the tax payers more & reduce social cohesion.

It makes tactical sense to consider/suggest this kind of solution - but sadly this is due to the ignorance of it's expected supporters.
 
Child benifit is 9/10 of sod all, I imagine it helps but those that spew out children aren't going to stop it just because they lose out on £80(iirc) a month. I'm sure another benifit will increase to compensate.

So in essence I agree with you it's only punishing the children.
 
This sounds like an excellent way of increasing child poverty. It's cruel to make kids suffer for their parents' mistakes. :(
 
Maybe just sterilise people after 3 children. That way benefits are saved and then there's no extra children suffering as a result.
 
Somehow i doubt losing £13 a week will make any difference to the types who keep popping them out when they can't afford it.
 
From a social engineering perspective it is unknown whether it will have much impact on population growth. From an ideological perspective though I support it - three children is plenty. Then again I'd also be in favour program's which seek to increase the availability of contraceptives, abortions etc...
 

Indeed, we're a bit more densely crowded than most, but there is still room to grow for a long period of time, and better technology means we can sustain much larger populations fairly easily.

What we really need, is policies that plan efficiently for greater populations. For the last few decades at least policy has been extremely reactive.
 
Indeed, we're a bit more densely crowded than most, but there is still room to grow for a long period of time, and better technology means we can sustain much larger populations fairly easily.

What we really need, is policies that plan efficiently for greater populations. For the last few decades at least policy has been extremely reactive.

Exactly. We could even meet 100% of our farming/food requirements if we fully adopt GM foods and intensification. (Thelandmagazine.org.uk, 2015).

We've loads of room for people/houses as well, especially if we go vertical.
 
I'm sure another benifit will increase to compensate.

It better had do. The Government is committed by law to reducing child poverty.

Given the above, it should only be the working classes (above poverty class) and lower-middle classes who get hit by this. Not that that's anything to cheer.

It's just a policy to appeal to peoples' nasty, jealous side. No money will be saved. Tory electioneering in a nutshell.
 
I think if something actually meaningful was ever done it should be aimed specifically at people having children who simply can't afford them (or can't afford them without claiming every benefit available). This would likely include a lot of women who have children as a result of a one night stand/brief fling. Medical practices have moved on and just like everything else we're preached, if you can't afford something you don't get to have it.

I have no children and know my viewpoint is harsh but its what I think needs to be done. I know it never will be and we will likely be paying for other peoples children in various ways for the forseeable future.
 
I have no children and know my viewpoint is harsh but its what I think needs to be done. I know it never will be and we will likely be paying for other peoples children in various ways for the forseeable future.

We also pay for other peoples' grandparents, and the "other peoples' children" we pay for now will later be paying for our own dotage - hadn't we better offer them sufficient support today to ensure they are able to take that strain? (i.e. support them in becoming productive and profitable members of society)
 
We need measures against population growth regardless, don't care about what it means to the coinpurse.

This. I have no idea about the intricacies of child benefit, but we sure as heck need to check and possibly reverse the exploding human population.

The trouble is that there doesn't seem to be a neat little solution that we can all agree on. But we do know that population growth isn't a good thing. We're already putting unsustainable pressure on the planet and its ecosystems.

I would happily pay more tax towards measures to reduce the population.
 
I don't know if public opinion really is reflected in tabloid headlines, or merely stirred up by them.

But the kind of 'SPONGERS WITH 20 CHILDREN' this is apparently aimed at will be comprised of several households, each of which presumably still qualifying...
 
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UK fertility rate is 1.9 (births per woman). That's a reduction from one generation to the next, countered in recent years by extending life expectancy and some immigration.

It's sustainable.
 
This sounds like an excellent way of increasing child poverty. It's cruel to make kids suffer for their parents' mistakes. :(

As long as the policy isn't isn't replied retrospectively it is a good idea.

Don't have children if you can't afford them.
 
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