Well if you think that, then you have to concede that Palestine is evil too for killing Israeli civilians. Consistency and such.
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Well if you think that, then you have to concede that Palestine is evil too for killing Israeli civilians. Consistency and such.
I think most of the world is waking up to the reality of Israel, you can only play the victim card for so long from a privileged position, Hamas have recently been taken off the European terror group list, probably because they are actually a group whose aim is to free and gain independence for their people and land.
Sinn Fein ceased terrorism many years ago and traded it's weapons and bombs for political discourse. They are no longer a terrorist organisation. You should know this, it's not like it happened yesterday.
The amount of relative power that Israel can exert over Gaza actually means that they could occupy and police the area without resorting to the combat operations that they do..also they could release the funds (that legally belong to the Gazans) and enable and facilitate internation aid efforts to help rebuild Gazan infrastructure, medical and employment facilities and various other programs thereby undermining the reasons that Hamas are kept in power. Hamas are enabled by the Israeli actions because the People of Gaza have no other alternatives if they want food, power and medicines. This is directly attributable to Israeli policies on Gaza.
As far as Hamas being a terrorist organisation, that entirely depends on who you ask. Some countries do not recognise Hamas as a terrrorist organisation, others do. There is some debate in the EU over this and at various times the EU Courts have found Hamas do not fit the UN classifications for such a designation.
In any case, whether we recognise Hamas as a terrorist organisation or not, it is important to realise how Israel itself was created..by recognised terrorist organisations such as Irgun, who formed their first government.
And while you might see Hamas as a Terrorist group, The UK Government do not list them as such. The UK Govt recognise the difference (as they did with Sinn Fein, an example you rely on) as being distinct from the militant The Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades who are listed as Terrorist.
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But still has links to the IRA.
Yes I know but some would still see Sinn Fein in that light.
.I do like how you did not answer the question thou.
... You just stated a common line A simple Yes or No would have sufficed All good points.
Hamas are by and large there because they have popular support, not because of Israeli actions, they were and still are the last elected goverment in Palestine and are probably better than the corrupt PLO and mahmoud abbas/
I think it's both to be honest. Israel help enable Hamas through it's actions against Palestine but fundamentalist support from within Palestine also plays a role in supporting Hamas too, and of course Iran's funding and weapons deliveries play a part also.
They have popular support by and large because they fund soup kitchens, supply medicines, fund pensions, offer employment, policing, housing and materials through their ability to smuggle and supply these things. Fatah was at the time ineffective and offered no such succor to the Gazans...the Israeli blockade directly enables Hamas to do this, Israeli actions create that popular support which is reliant on the ability of Hamas to support the Gazans. If you removed that crutch and enabled the Gazans to support themselves then you would see support for Hamas fall away.
The point is that the Israelis are in a position to help the Gazans directly...instead of going in with guns, missiles and tanks..they could go in with medicines, food and materials...they could work with the gazans to remove the Brigades and set up trained policing and enable the Gazans to trade and live freely within a federated state working toward their own autonomy...even Hamas has agreed in principle to a 10 year cease fire in order to make a workable solution based on the 1967 border...these are always rejected by the Israeli Governments, often despite what the Israeli people actually want. Unfortunately Likud and those zionists like them are only interested in creating a singularly Jewish State, nothing else matters to them.
This also underlines Likud's hatred of Iran, its not only the nuclear agenda, that is largely a smokescreen. What the problem for them is revolves around influence and Iran can exert great influence if it chose to, especially if it was not hampered by international sanctions or had a working relationship with the United States and the EU. Iran are a threat to Israel, not becasue of any military threat but to their ability to sustain the divisive policies internally which fuel settlements and refusing terms on a two state solution for the Palestinians. Once you legitimise Iran, you work toward legitimising (some) of the organisations, or at least the issues, to which it supports. And Palestinian Statehood under the 1967 ceasefire agreement is one of those.
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'Amazing restraint'. Wow. You really don't have a clue do you.
Here's some perspective:
In the last 10 years, those 'daily rocket attacks' from Palestine killed about 26 civilians.
In 2014 alone, Israel killed 1500+ civilians including hundreds of children.
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You forgot numbers don't matter to Silver
If they would stop stealing land then maybe lives would not need to be saved.
You forgot numbers don't matter to Silver
Neither do facts apparently.
That is a fallacious argument. If we followed that logically it would mean the the UK would be within its rights to bomb Dublin every-time a republican bomb went off.
If someone forcibly removed you from your home and began to living in it, with the support of a State apparatchik..what would you do? Say, "thats ok, carry on"..or would you fight?
