Netanyahu: Iran a threat to the world.
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Not fallacious, unless you wind the whole thing back to land stealing. When Israel attack Palestine it's always after Israeli's have been murdered. They never go in for no reason. Also, a lot more civilians wouldn't die, if the terrorists didn't hide in schools, hospitals and mosques.
I like how this forum operates at times. I disagree with several people here about a very complex issue, but I'm a troll and a retard, while the people whom I disagree with are presumably high brow intellectuals, who are never wrong about anything ever.
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That is not true, sanctions and minor incursions and the enforcement of the blockade are all ongoing. Also it has been shown that Israel target civilian infrastructure even when it is not certain that it is being used by (highly mobile) militants, not to mention the periodic stopping of water and power supplies and the refusal to allow funds and taxes from the Gazans to be controlled by the Gazans..often they simply refuse to allow the funds on a political whim. Besides Israel have the ability to defend themselves passively for the most part. If you look at the actual data the rocket attacks are, in the main, the work of various independent terrorist organisations, rarely is it Hamas who either try (ineffectively) to police such organisations or declare against Israel when they are supporting the rocket attacks. Hamas, in recent years have only ever supported rocket attacks when Israel have Gaza under fire. Israel could quite easily work with Hamas to eradicate and control the militants, but it chooses not to.
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What isn't true ? What did I say that you think is entirely false ?
That Israel only use force when Israelis are killed by Hamas. As I explained.
Ok well I misspoke. What I should have said was they only retaliate to attacks and don't initiate them. ( in recent years).
I never said I was right 
Its not very complex... Netanyahu is a Lunatic and a Warmonger, the IDF are no better than HAMAS.
My opinion™
Nobody is going to be able to convince you otherwise, with Fact or Opinion.
I did for a while think after reading the whole thread that you were saying what you said to provoke a reaction and in parts where you plainly choose to ignore a relevant post, yes yes I know your argument it was not relevant or not worth replying to.
So you will have to forgive me if I thought you were trolling...
Its not very complex... Netanyahu is a Lunatic and a Warmonger, the IDF are no better than HAMAS.
My opinion™
Nobody is going to be able to convince you otherwise, with Fact or Opinion.
I did for a while think after reading the whole thread that you were saying what you said to provoke a reaction and in parts where you plainly choose to ignore a relevant post, yes yes I know your argument it was not relevant or not worth replying to
.So you will have to forgive me if I thought you were trolling
...So you will have to forgive me if I thought you were trolling
Consider yourself forgiven.
Again, this is not true. Last year for example, Israel initiated various bombing on civilian building they assumed were being used by Hamas or other organisations they deem to be terrorists. This is sometimes precipitated by rocket attacks, but often rocket attacks come after the targeted bombing of Gaza.
The whole Israel retaliates argument is nonsense, it is the other way round all the time, if anything the lack of retaliation from the Palestinians is honorable. In the February that went, Israel killed a few people, injured many and arrested hundreds, those list include kids.
They also went into Lebanon and killed some hezbollah members, they didnt even retaliate back.
They also went into Lebanon and killed some hezbollah members, they didnt even retaliate back.
Actually you're wrong about this. Probable cause to prevent an imminent attack is justification to initiate an action. So I fully support a first strike in that sense. We would do the same in the UK, if we were threatened in that way.
You misunderstand. Israel operate regular military action within Gaza, often daily or weekly strikes on various targets, including civilian buildings such as office blocks etc. they often (although not always) issue a warning, so they are not preventing imminent attacks, simply bombing infrastructure.
And the UK, as a rule, doesn't bomb civilian building because they think terrorists operate there. We never did it during the republican terrorism and while we may attack training camps and so on in Afghanistan, we also support a huge rebuilding and regional investment policy to undermine any terrorist organisation gaining popular support in those same regions. Look at our operations in Iraq after the fall of Saddam when we were supporting the Iraqi Government, the aerial strikes on civilian targets stopped and ground and support operations commenced. You cannot fight terrorism by bombing the civilian population. In fact as an advance democracy, Israel has a moral obligation not to.
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That would be because they are providing facts and reasoned logical argument while you are basically covering your ears ignoring it all and shouting I'm right you're wrong! And acting like your disregard for reality actually makes your opinions effective counter arguments.
But Israel is not recognised as a terrorist state by any nation on earth. Palestine is. Again with the nonsense and self delusion.
I used to live in South Africa. So I'm betting I know more about that situation than you.
Actually Bolivia classes Israel as a terrorist state, Jordan has accused Israel of state terrorism as well. So well done showing more lack of knowledge.
By those standards because I have lived and worked in Israel I clearly know more than you
So knowing what you know about SA, you must recognise the ANC were labelled terrorists by many countries including the US and UK.
You must also recognise that Israel is an Apartheid state.
You labelled Israeli actions as deplorable, but you don't regard them as terrorists, so tell me was it Hamas that attacked the USS liberty and killed 34 US citizens? Has Hamas committed any "terrorist attacks" on anyone other than it's oppressors?
Surely to be labelled as terrorists and not freedom fighters they would have to be against everyone who is not Palestinian? How many acts of Terror are committed by Israeli citizens on Palestinians every week? How many civilians have "Hamas" killed in Israel? What about Vice Versa?
Honestly you need to explain to us here how you came to your conclusion that Hamas are terrorists and Israel aren't when other than some govt lackies saying so, the facts point firmly the other way.
Can you imagine the outcry if we had got the RAF and Army to carpet bomb Ulster and Belfast because we knew IRA terrorists had lived there once and in doing so killed hundreds of families and innocent children?
Israel does it and they are "defending themselves" from rockets which are little more than fireworks in metal pipes which do minimal damage other than psychological.
Psychological ? Innocent Israeli civilians have been killed by these rockets. That's more physical than psychological.