Netanyahu: Iran a threat to the world.

Sliver · 5 Mar 2015 at 15:33

Dr Who said:
ARRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHH

Like talking to a brick wall.....

Hamas are like the GLC, they are elected in Gaza ONLY!

The Palestinain Authority are led by Mahmoud Abbas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_authority

Go read and ****** learn something for a change!

Abbas is a puppet, Hamas are the ones with the real power in Palestine.

jetpaczx · 5 Mar 2015 at 15:35

Freefaller said:
I see them as bullies.

I just wish more people stood up to their abhorrent behaviour.

Thats the problem nobody wants to.

Israel get away with so much **** and their line is "We are defending ourselves"

If was to pick a side I am on the side of the oppressed and downtrodden... Regardless of Race, Religion, Sexual Orientation.

The fact of the matter is Israel is the new South Africa...

Castiel · 5 Mar 2015 at 15:36

Sliver said:
So care to explain this ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

Or are you one of those people on these forums that's under the delusion that every time Wiki is linked, it must be immediately ignored ?

Perhaps you should actually read it. The UK Government do not list HAMAS as a whole as a terrorist group. The UK Govt recognise the difference between the political wing Hamas (as they did with Sinn Fein, an example you rely on) as being distinct from the militant wing The Hamas Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades who are listed as Terrorist group by the UK.

United Kingdom The Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades have been listed as a proscribed organization under the Terrorism Act since 2001, but Hamas as a whole is not listed.

Sliver · 5 Mar 2015 at 15:37

Castiel said:
Perhaps you should actually read it. The UK Government do not list HAMAS as a whole as a terrorist group. The UK Govt recognise the difference between the political wing Hamas (as they did with Sinn Fein, an example you rely on) as being distinct from the militant wing The Hamas Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades who are listed as Terrorist group by the UK.

You're just splitting hairs now.

Dr Who · 5 Mar 2015 at 15:37

Freefaller said:
I see them as bullies.

I just wish more people stood up to their abhorrent behaviour.

It can only come from people like us lobbying our MP's and peacefully protesting.

Castiel · 5 Mar 2015 at 15:37

Sliver said:
Abbas is a puppet, Hamas are the ones with the real power in Palestine.

Hamas have little or no power over the State of Palestine. That rests entirely with The Palestinian Authority as recognised by The United Nations.

jetpaczx · 5 Mar 2015 at 15:38

Dr Who said:
It can only come from people like us lobbying our MP's and peacefully protesting.

And denying them aid that would be a great start.

lemonade · 5 Mar 2015 at 15:38

Sliver said:
Abbas is a puppet, Hamas are the ones with the real power in Palestine.

No Hamas have power in Gaza, Fatah have power in Wet Bank, there is no "real power" in Palestine, they are divided between two camps.

Care to explain how or what makes Hamas a terrorist organisation?

Castiel · 5 Mar 2015 at 15:38

Sliver said:
You're just splitting hairs now.

I am not, if I am then so were you earlier with regard Sinn Fein.

For example the UK Govt do not communicate or recognise the authority of any terrorist organisation...yet they support and call repeatedly for dialogue between Israel and Hamas.

Dr Who · 5 Mar 2015 at 15:38

Sliver said:
You're just splitting hairs now.

No he is being accurate, something that you fail with in every post you make.

ubersonic · 5 Mar 2015 at 15:42

Sliver said:
You're just splitting hairs now.

Actually he's shooting your argument to pieces, hence your deflection.

Sliver · 5 Mar 2015 at 15:44

lemonade said:
No Hamas have power in Gaza, Fatah have power in Wet Bank, there is no "real power" in Palestine, they are divided between two camps.

I disagree. Hamas has a massive influence with the people of Palestine due to it's stance against Israel, it's consultative councils, military wing and social welfare programs. Influence is power.

lemonade said:
Care to explain how or what makes Hamas a terrorist organisation?

Suicide bombings. Rockets into civilian areas, kidnapping and murdering innocent Israeli kids. Using human shields. Need I go on ?

Sliver · 5 Mar 2015 at 15:45

ubersonic said:
Actually he's shooting your argument to pieces, hence your deflection.

In your opinion.

jetpaczx · 5 Mar 2015 at 15:52

Sliver said:
I disagree. Hamas has a massive influence with the people of Palestine due to it's stance against Israel, it's consultative councils, military and social welfare programs. Influence is power.

Of course you disagree. It does not fit with your opinion. And why does HAMAS have this stance against Israel? Because of the horrors they have visited on their people. Has it been since their illegal state was created? Since their land is being slowly taking over by cockroaches? Since the second class treatment of their normal civilians?

I might be a Terrorist too if my home was destroyed by invaders.

Some would say that about Sinn Fein and the IRA... I dont hear you cry foul there...
You are can be very subjective you choose to ignore facts.

Sliver said:
Suicide bombings. Rockets into civilian areas, kidnapping and murdering innocent Israeli kids. Using human shields. Need I go on ?

And Israel have done so much worse...

Castiel · 5 Mar 2015 at 15:52

Sliver said:
I disagree. Hamas has a massive influence with the people of Palestine due to it's stance against Israel, it's consultative councils, military and social welfare programs. Influence is power.

Influence in the West Bank, as in Gaza is illustrated in democratic elections...which Fatah won. Hamas are attempting to push Fatah out and despite a range of reconciliation talks which thus far have failed the likely outcome should Hamas try to oust Fatah would be a crack down by Fatah security forces supported by Israel...this happened before, (in fact Israel, who are the de facto authority in the West Bank, have already removed Hamas officials from The West Bank when it feels they are a destabilising influence) as for the last decade prior to the resumption of talks between Hamas and Fatah, Hamas was totally suppressed and effectively removed from The West Bank.

The social welfare programs etc you speak of, are only in Gaza, they do not exist in the West Bank where the government is The Palestinian Authority.

Freefaller · 5 Mar 2015 at 15:54

Dr Who said:
It can only come from people like us lobbying our MP's and peacefully protesting.

Indeed. I have done it several times.

It's kinda in my blood as my grandfather was the Director-General of Arab-British Centre in London. So feel quite passionate about it.

Sliver · 5 Mar 2015 at 15:58

jetpaczx said:
And Israel have done so much worse...

So would you say Israel's are terrorists ?

ThestigGT999 · 5 Mar 2015 at 15:59

Castiel · 5 Mar 2015 at 15:59

Sliver said:
So would you say Israel's are terrorists ?

Many accuse Israel of State Terrorism. Even The United Nations have stated that some actions are consistent with state terror.

Sliver · 5 Mar 2015 at 16:01

Castiel said:
Many accuse Israel of State Terrorism. Even The United Nations.

Same question to you then. Do you regard Israel's as terrorists ? Or, do you regard Israel as a terrorist state, to put it another way ?