Tin foil hats really ARE needed!

Or maybe if you post delusional fantasist nonsense, you're a delusional fantasist.

You are continually struggling to hold arguments that you instigate yourself with many people on these forums, whilst being completely delusional about the fact that it's all of your own doing.

I don't even need to get you to accept this, everyone else you try to argue with can see it.
 
Or maybe if you post delusional fantasist nonsense, you're a delusional fantasist.

You are continually struggling to hold arguments that you instigate yourself with many people on these forums, whilst being completely delusional about the fact that it's all of your own doing.

I don't even need to get you to accept this, everyone else you try to argue with can see it.

Well that's your opinion. My opinion on what you've just said is that everyone else has been wrong and that my arguments are like titanium biceps on an angry Velociraptor. Rock solid m8y. :D
 
Well that's your opinion. My opinion on what you've just said is that everyone else has been wrong and that my arguments are like titanium biceps on an angry Velociraptor. Rock solid m8y. :D

Multiple people have the very same issue with you, say the same things about you and comment back to you in the same sort of way.

People post objective information that you dismiss or ignore.

It's you, "m8y".
 
Multiple people have the very same issue with you, say the same things about you and comment back to you in the same sort of way.

People post objective information that you dismiss or ignore.

It's you, "m8y".

Again your opinion. Why would I care what a couple of people I've never met say about me on the tinterweb ?

My opinion is that fat people don't get fat by accident. They eat too much for prolonged periods and lead a mostly sedentary lifestyle. So it should come as no surprise when one day you realise, Malcolm X had a silly surname.
 
But yeah, it seems to be the default response around here. If you dare question official stories you get tarred with the "delusional fantasist" brush.

People like that are just as delusional as basement dwellers who talks about the lizard people.

I watched 11/9 live on TV, read some alternative stories (unavoidable) and in all honesty I'm not that interested. The only thing I cannot get my head around is when somebody will say "I just don't believe that the US government would murder its own people".

Take a look at history and the sort of mentally damaged psychopathic bile that floats to the top, men like Dick Cheney and Tony Blair, its perfectly plausible that they would.
 
Rather the opposite IMO, the 'official' 9/11 story has more holes than Swiss cheese.

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On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters directed by a man on dialysis in a cave fortress halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop directed the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world, overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour without being molested by a single fighter interceptor.

Wow there's some spin in that description.

Military combat trained pilots? Maybe although I haven't heard that before. The point is though that pre 9/11 pilots were trained to do what hijackers told them as that had been shown to pose the lowest risk to those on board. The reason the plot succeeded was because no one had done it before. No one was expecting it and there was no plan for the eventuality hence the slowness in sending up fighters.

Taking off and landing are the difficult bits about flying. Being able to point a plane at a building in perfect visibility after a small amount of training seems plausible.

I don't see anything sophisticated In the plot at all. Beating the airport security seems to have been easy and as soon as they're on board with knives everyone does as they say, as they've been trained to do. Overpowering pilots strapped into their seats whilst standing holding a blade seems believable.The harder bits will have been the coordination and getting the necessary flight training without arousing suspicion. Laptops and phones do still work while you're on dialysis though.
 
Flack88 said:
Honestly...... You believe this?
The wording of your quoted paragraph is highly disingenuous. Lets break it down.

directed by a man on dialysis
This makes it seem like it was in real time, when really all bin laden did was fund and encourage. his distance or personal state is irrelevant.

halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop
Which applies to this bit. a laptop is all you need to email people or send money. its not high tech wizardry. he wasnt talking them through the act via satellite link and Go Pro's.

directed the most sophisticated penetration
The technique wasn't sophisticated. Hijackings has taken place since the 30's and modern planes are easier to fly than ever. If you dont have to worry about landing or taking off you dont need more than an week to master the basics (you arnt going to be worried about fault recovery/diagnostics or even voice protocol.

most heavily-defended airspace in the world
doesnt matter if you dont know there is a threat. And Its not actually. the jets that were scrambled were part of the exercise from that week. The north east of the USA doesnt experience QRA which is stationed in alaska and other areas. They even had to resort to sending unarmed jets to investigate.

military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft
being in the military doesnt make you invincible, whilst most were actually ex military and significantly older than their attackers.... who were armed. You dont suddenly become a ninja.

planes wildly off course for over an hour without being molested by a single fighter interceptor.
The jets didnt receive the command until 25 minutes after the flights were suspected hijacked. mainly down to behemoth of the FAA and NORAD. Dont forget the considerable confusion of having jets change route which means you have to redirect dozens of other aircraft at the same time. by this time most of the planes had already reached their targets apart from the one where the under pressure controller attributed a signal to a different aircraft, which did get investigated.

Three pilots managed to knock down 3 buildings with 2 planes in New York,
big explosions tend to effect other areas.

hile in Washington a pilot who couldn’t handle a single engine Cessna was able to fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corskscrew turn to come exactly level with the ground,
This didnt happen. the turn was 5 miles west of the pentagon and it wasnt a corkscrew. He flew a steady flight at 2k feet until diving when seeing the target.

where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the 2.3 trillion dollars that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had announced “missing” from the Pentagon’s coffers in a press conference the day before, on September 10, 2001
proof it hit those offices that were working on that job? Because that doesn't sound like the navies job, which is the area it hit. Btw why would you announce something just to cover it up the next day? It may also be noted the 2.3 trillion was announced in 2000. before bush was even elected.

Pentagon's finances in disarray
By JOHN M. DONNELLY The Associated Press 03/03/00 5:44 PM Eastern
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The military's money managers last year made almost $7 trillion in adjustments to their financial ledgers in an attempt to make them add up, the Pentagon's inspector general said in a report released Friday.
The Pentagon could not show receipts for $2.3 trillion of those changes, and half a trillion dollars of it was just corrections of mistakes made in earlier adjustments.
Each adjustment represents a Defense Department accountant's attempt to correct a discrepancy. The military has hundreds of computer systems to run accounts as diverse as health care, payroll and inventory. But they are not integrated, don't produce numbers up to accounting standards and fail to keep running totals of what's coming in and what's going out, Pentagon and congressional officials said.

And finally..... as large as it sounds, missing 2.3 trillion isnt a big enough story to end up flying a plane anywhere. heres a story of 8.5 trillion being unaccounted for from 2013.

http://www.reuters.com/investigates/pentagon/#article/part2




I tend to find conspiracy theory's like this attribute godly power on the authorities whilst ignoring those authorities are manned by thousands of very fallible individuals and then shouting loudly that its a trick when the authorities don't live up to the artificial standards they have had imposed upon them.
 
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That's a really good post Nutella33 but it will be ignored by the typical tinfoil hat wearer. I can only imagine how infuriating it must be for the more moderate CT to be surrounded and outnumbered by his slack-jawed, myopic full on nutjob CT brethren who scream loudest but say the least.
 
[FnG]magnolia;27733217 said:
That's a really good post Nutella33 but it will be ignored by the typical tinfoil hat wearer. I can only imagine how infuriating it must be for the more moderate CT to be surrounded and outnumbered by his slack-jawed, myopic full on nutjob CT brethren who scream loudest but say the least.

You shouldn't be so self deprecating. Learn to love yourself.
 
Rather the opposite IMO, the 'official' 9/11 story has more holes than Swiss cheese.



Honestly...... You believe this? :confused:


The mind boggles at that part.

Most heavily defended against outside threats...Internal US airport security was (and still often is) terrible, with any number of accounts of things (even guns) not being spotted by airport security even going onto international flights, let alone internal ones where security was far less.

The U.S. also didn't tend to have armed flights on the interior, because there had never been the need to have them, and the risks were considered far too high (you're far more likely to have an accident with a weapon system that is armed than a 9/11 event, so they tended not to keep the munitions on the aircraft where they were exposed to the eliments and the other risks that an aircraft sat on the runway has, instead they were stored in the armouries).

Most airlines before 9/11 trained their staff and the advice to fliers was to co-operate with hijackers - because prior to 9/11 most hijackers had political aims and only tended to kill those who didn't co-operate.

But yeah, good example of CT faulty thinking.
Remember lads, metal retains all of it's strength until it's molten, which is the reason why blacksmiths never heated metal to assist in it's shaping, they always did it cold or simply poured the metal into it's end shape (they would never have dreamed of heating it till it was malleable, and you can't demo how metal loses strength when heated with a simple bunson burner or gas stove)
 
[FnG]magnolia;27733217 said:
That's a really good post Nutella33 but it will be ignored by the typical tinfoil hat wearer. I can only imagine how infuriating it must be for the more moderate CT to be surrounded and outnumbered by his slack-jawed, myopic full on nutjob CT brethren who scream loudest but say the least.

I know but sometimes I feel as if no one challenges BS then someone teetering on the edge of sanity may read it and topple. And thus a breeding effect is created.

Not sure if I would consider myself a moderate CT guy though, unless you were referring to someone else. I only really get interested in general mystery like gareth williams's murder or tracking current events, not aliens or NWO.
 
This is the usual way people try to stifle the sort of discussion they do not like.

There are fantasists and retards who have their theories on what happened, but that doesn't necessarily mean any questioning of the official story as per the US government is only done by people who are fundamentally broken.

Governments, and the US government especially, have been known to get up to all sorts of awful things. I have no idea what happened, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they had some hand in what happened, because they just are that shady.

It would be incredibly surprising if they had anything to do with it - the Pentagon itself was attacked. It is just such a ridiculous idea in the first place.

for interesting conspiracies with more credible evidence and reasonable questions behind them then take a look at things like these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squidgygate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_Street_robbery

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident
 
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