Sky and TalkTalk want Openreach to be split up

[CorrectHorseBattery]

I totally agree with this - it is completely illogical that a private company should have control over a public network.

http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/12/sky-ofcom-bt-openreach/

 

[Yaayuh!]

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To be fair, i agree with this: The looming BT and EE merger "threatens to make a bad situation worse".

Companies should be able to buy it off, then maybe we'll get some decent infrastructure outside of cities.

 

[jambutty]

I totally agree with this - it is completely illogical that a private company should have control over a public network.

http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/12/sky-ofcom-bt-openreach/

I'm a little wary, for all BT and Openreach's flaws I look at the US's state of broadband and shudder. We really are spoilt for choice and the prices available for all types of services is quite good in comparison.
This article springs to mind:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24528383

After all this is the same sky that has a rather large market share regarding TV and by no means is that "cheap".

 

[monkeyspank]

Why should openreach be split up? Talktalk and sky can install their own nationwide network if they want

 

[neil_g]

Why should openreach be split up? Talktalk and sky can install their own nationwide network if they want

realistically could they run a new cable to every single UK household? and have a sizable backbone infrastructure?

 

[Gilly]

To what level do Openreach 'control' a public network?

Isn't it a private network opened up to multiple suppliers? Just because they have done it first doesn't make it public, surely?

 

[Cosimo]

- it is completely illogical that a private company should have control over a public network.

A private company will still be managing the network after this review. Why so, do you want the telephone network re-nationalised?

 

[monkeyspank]

realistically could they run a new cable to every single UK household? and have a sizable backbone infrastructure?

No. Realistically, should openreach let them share the one that they paid to put in? Yes. And they do.
Should openreach be split up as a company because they still own that network (that they share)?

 

[DaleTheWhale]

Isn't it their network anyway, not the public's?

 

[neil_g]

No. Realistically, should openreach let them share the one that they paid to put in? Yes. And they do.

right, but thats not really a new network is it.

its a service on the existing cable/fibre network albeit with leased exchange kit, aka unbundling.

otherwise im not sure I understand your previous point.

 

[monkeyspank]

Sky and talktalk complaining about monopolisation is the most amusing thing here

 

[Werewolf]

Isn't it their network anyway, not the public's?

Yup, something that a lot of people forget.

Rather like a lot of the ISP's forget that they could if they wished to actually invest some money themselves also start building to the last mile, rather than piggybacking on Openreach.

 

[neil_g]

Rather like a lot of the ISP's forget that they could if they wished to actually invest some money themselves also start building to the last mile, rather than piggybacking on Openreach.

it'd be a nightmare though. all those groundwork permits to run new cables. itd cost a fortune and cause misery with roadworks (it takes long enough and costs LOADS to get a leased bit of fibre run in already with BT). same reason why virgin only supply cable to 50% of homes.

i think they all need to contribute to development of the same network infrastructure and just have their own hardware in the exchange, much like presently.

 

[monkeyspank]

Sky let other companies use their satellite network. For a price. A bit like openreach. If sky want openreach broken up for this reason then surely they should be willing to be broken up themselves. The hypocrisy would be stunning if it came from anyone other than sky

 

[Werewolf]

Sky let other companies use their satellite network. For a price. A bit like openreach. If sky want openreach broken up for this reason then surely they should be willing to be broken up themselves. The hypocrisy would be stunning if it came from anyone other than sky

Actually the satellites don''t even belong to Sky, they're rented IIRC (or rather many of the transponders pointing at the UK are), from memory Sky don't actually have many/any physical assets pretty much everything is leased to reduce the risk to them (if the satellite gets damaged Sky don't have to worry about funding a new one, they just rent space on another one if possible).
You tend to pay Sky to be included in the EPG, the cost of transponder space is up to the broadcaster to sort out, as is the uplink from memory.

From memory Sky actually make it quite hard for broadcasters to use the same satellite as them under certain conditions, and charge extra if the broadcaster wants to be on their EPG but in an unencrypted format (IE the likes of the BBC which are on Freesat unencrypted have to pay extra).

 

[Tefal]

realistically could they run a new cable to every single UK household? and have a sizable backbone infrastructure?

realistically i cant buy a jumbo jet why should i be able to force American airlines to give me one of theirs?

 

[mattyg]

Surely openreach don't "Give" their competitors access to their network.

 

[monkeyspank]

Actually the satellites don''t even belong to Sky, they're rented IIRC (or rather many of the transponders pointing at the UK are), from memory Sky don't actually have many/any physical assets pretty much everything is leased to reduce the risk to them (if the satellite gets damaged Sky don't have to worry about funding a new one, they just rent space on another one if possible).
You tend to pay Sky to be included in the EPG, the cost of transponder space is up to the broadcaster to sort out, as is the uplink from memory.

From memory Sky actually make it quite hard for broadcasters to use the same satellite as them under certain conditions, and charge extra if the broadcaster wants to be on their EPG but in an unencrypted format (IE the likes of the BBC which are on Freesat unencrypted have to pay extra).

Networks typically need endpoints. In my example the endpoints would be the millions of sky boxes around the world, not the satellites. The sky set top boxes are all an essential part of the network

 

[monkeyspank]

realistically i cant buy a jumbo jet why should i be able to force American airlines to give me one of theirs?

If they had paid for and installed THE AIR then you probably shouldn't demand that they were disbanded as a company, especially after they let you use their air for your own gain

 

[SPG]

So lets give it to sky and EE and take more money out of the country...

Errrrrrrrrrrrrr no, you want it you build it.