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Right, If you saw my last post you would know I was looking at quite a reasonable build but the adult in me told me that it was a little irresponsible when I had more important adult things to pay for. So the adult in me came to a compromise with the child in me and agreed to build a budget rig for now until the time comes that I can afford a full mega super fun upgrade! :)

Anyway I would like to keep under £300 if I can and I need an NVIDIA GTX for game stream (yes, I have a sheild tab!) Here is what I came up with:

YOUR BASKET
1 x MSI GeForce GTX 750Ti OC 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (N750Ti-2GD5/OCV1) £99.95
1 x ASRock Z97 Pro3 Intel Z97 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £79.99
1 x Intel Pentium K Anniversary G3258 Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £55.99
1 x TeamGroup Vulcan RED 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-19200C11 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit (TLRED38G2400HC11CDC01) £55.99
Total : £301.52 (includes shipping : £8.00).



Any input would be much appreciated
 
Thanks RJC - the thing about the mobo is how good is it at overclocking? I read that the ASRock was pretty good at over clocking

PSU - Antec Neo He 550W
Cooling- Arctic Cooler 7 Pro and 2x 120mm fans
Case - Custom (open top design)

I dont think there will be any issues cooling and the PSU should be fine for what I need to power.
 
Thats a good point. With that thought in mind maybe I should stick with the original motherboard I had planned to use so I can upgrade to SLI at some point? Or is there a cheaper sli board I could get? everyting is just crossfire at the moment. Obviously needs to be a good overclocker otherwise there would be no point with the cpu and memory I have.

Also, can you predict any bottlenecks with these components?

YOUR BASKET
1 x MSI GeForce GTX 750Ti OC 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (N750Ti-2GD5/OCV1) £99.95
1 x Gigabyte Z97X-SLI Intel Z97 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £89.99
1 x Intel Pentium K Anniversary G3258 Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £55.99
1 x TeamGroup Vulcan RED 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-19200C11 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit (TLRED38G2400HC11CDC01) £55.99
Total : £311.52 (includes shipping : £8.00).

 
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For gaming with SLI you want a reasonable motherboard with reasonable reviews. Your 1st motherboard choice did not support SLI, the Gigabyte does.

That said, I do not understand why you choose that specific memory, the Kingston brand is well established, and the Kingston memory looks far better too, as well as costing less.

Another issue you have. your chosen GPU does not support SLI, and is a PCI powered variant, the standard length 750ti's offer slightly more performance, but it is not exactly enticing in comparison to AMD's current price offerings.
Nvidia's lower priced GPU's also completely suck in performance versus cost. Nor do they scale well with SLI, you are really looking at something like the Nvidia 970 if you want 60fps gaming on decent settings at 1080p, even the 960 drops below 30fps on many new titles from what I have read.

Don't get me wrong, the 750ti is a nice card, if your looking for a budget mini itx 1080p gaming system with low power consumption and no fancy graphics settings. But if you want SLI the most recent low cost option is the 960, though you could argue that a single 970 would offer better performance.

It is a shame the shield is so important, because current price cuts make budget GPU's from AMD the better choice, Nvidia has nothing to offer below the 970 currently that can compete with AMD pound for pound.

YOUR BASKET
1 x Palit GeForce GTX 960 JetStream 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (NE5X960H1041-2060J) £157.99
1 x Gigabyte Z97X-SLI Intel Z97 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £89.99
1 x Intel Pentium K Anniversary G3258 Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £55.99
1 x Kingston HyperX Savage Red 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-19200C11 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit (HX324C11SRK2/8) £46.99
Total : £360.56 (includes shipping : £8.00).



If you are happy to drop SLI and just get a better single GPU in future.

YOUR BASKET
1 x MSI GeForce GTX 750Ti Gaming OC 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (N750Ti TF 2GD5/OC) £119.99
1 x Gigabyte Z97P-D3 Intel Z97 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £62.99
1 x Intel Pentium K Anniversary G3258 Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £55.99
1 x Kingston HyperX Savage Red 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-19200C11 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit (HX324C11SRK2/8) £46.99
Total : £295.56 (includes shipping : £8.00).



Personally I would be looking at the latest GPU's from Nvidia, from the 960 upward, on that Gigabyte Z97X with a G3258 and use that until the end of the year at least, until Skylake CPU's and motherboards become available, benched and have the bugs ironed out

By the end of this year, begining of next, we will see budget Skylake systems and newer budget GPU's that will offer more performance that the above budget systems for similar outlay I think.
 
I'd never buy new stuff with such low budget.
Your adult "me" should've told you there are other, better (in terms of general performance) options, like mix already-owned & B-Grade & used parts. For example, you can build SandyBridge i5 with some R9 280/280X if you search here and there - and it will be always better than Pentium K and 750Ti, or even GTX 960 (which is overpriced now). You said "upgrade" by the way, so what's your current rig ?
 
You guys have certainly given me some food for thought maybe I can make do with what I have?? see if I can overclock it.

As for the gear I have this is what I remember:

Asus P5BE mobo
Core2duo cpu (cant remember what model)
Radeon HD 9000 series (think its a 9850 but not 100%??)
Antec NEO HE 550 PSU
2GB ram but no idea what spec/model

I will have to confirm when I get home.

I hadn't really considered overclocking the old rig on the account of it being so old but now I think about it, I could maybe make it last a little longer.
 
@locrieth - Too true! :)

Right, this is my actual spec:

2Gb Crucial PC2-4300U DDR2-534
Intel core2duo 6300 1.86Ghz
Radeon HD 5770
Kingston ssdnow 300 120gb SSD
Regular 1.5tb SATA hdd

Need to check if I can do anything with this setup to last a little longer
 
do you know what motherboard it is?
If it supports crossfire you could probably pick up another 5770 pretty cheap, from what I remember they scaled quite well. But you might get bottle necked with cpu ... possibly. Also what OS are you running? Ram upgrade could be useful...
 
Dont think cross fire is an option though:

PCI Express x16 -1
PCI Express x1 - 3

How do I work out the wether the CPU/GPU will bottleneck? what specs do I need to check for that?
 
I'd never buy new stuff with such low budget.
Your adult "me" should've told you there are other, better (in terms of general performance) options, like mix already-owned & B-Grade & used parts. For example, you can build SandyBridge i5 with some R9 280/280X if you search here and there - and it will be always better than Pentium K and 750Ti, or even GTX 960 (which is overpriced now). You said "upgrade" by the way, so what's your current rig ?


If you can pick up an old SandyBridge i5 and suitable SLI motherboard, both boxed with some guarantee for £150 great. Not seen anyone selling such a pairing that cheap myself so far, nor is old tech worth the money many people expect.

I already mentioned the AMD equivalents, but the OP mentions Nvidia shield, hence Nvidia options.

Second hand items are not always going to be better than budget equivalents, as second hand items have no guarantee or warranty, and you have no idea of previous use.

Z77 motherboards are being sold for prices that adding a little extra to would buy a Z97 with full warranty. Why pay £90 for a Z77 when a Z97 with more features costs £90 new. £90 for an old i5 is half your Haswell new i5 budget.

The SandyBridge i5's I see usually have sellers expecting more than £55

£47 for 8GB of memory, so why bother with second hand.

At least with a budget system new, he has a warranty, he can upgrade it later with new items such as a Haswell i5 K series if he so wishes. The only "budget" items he is looking at, is a CPU that is already shown it can hold its head up with many an i5 when OC'd under most desktop and game applications. And a GPU that will allow him to use shield.

With around £300 budget.
 
If you could squeeze a few more pounds into the budget you could get this:

YOUR BASKET
1 x Inno3D GeForce GTX 960 OC 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (N960-1DDV-E5CNX) £155.99
1 x Gigabyte Z97P-D3 Intel Z97 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £62.99
1 x Intel Pentium K Anniversary G3258 Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £55.99
1 x Kingston HyperX Savage Red 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-19200C11 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit (HX324C11SRK2/8) £46.99
Total : £331.56 (includes shipping : £8.00).




The 960 is better than the 750ti so performance in games should be stepped up quite a bit, plus you have the option to upgrade to an i5 later if you so wish :)

Edit - the reference cooler would also save you about a fiver, so that's another option.
 
Thanks so much for this guys! loving the 2 POVs!

@sastusbulbas - you said

By the end of this year, begining of next, we will see budget Skylake systems and newer budget GPU's that will offer more performance that the above budget systems for similar outlay I think.

So im thinking if I could overclock and upgrade my current rig I could possibly hold out till next year, depending what kind of extra performance I could squeeze out of it.

If not then I have 2 options, continue my sub £300 build with the Nvidia GPU.

Or continue my sub £300 build with a radeon, that way I can upgrade to crossfire at a later date. This way seems to have more options to upgrade than the other, especially as AMD appear to have better budget cards.

You guys have certainly given me plenty of options! thanks so much! :)
 
@locrieth - Too true! :)

Right, this is my actual spec:

2Gb Crucial PC2-4300U DDR2-534
Intel core2duo 6300 1.86Ghz
Radeon HD 5770
Kingston ssdnow 300 120gb SSD
Regular 1.5tb SATA hdd
ASUS P5B-E

Need to check if I can do anything with this setup to last a little longer

Your motherboard supports DDR2 800MHz memory, 8gb max though you could be spending more getting 4 2GB sticks of DDR2 800 than you would spend buying new DDR3.

The motherboard also supports Q9550's and such, but this would cost as much as a G3258, maybe more, but not clock as high in single thread applications. I doubt the motherboard would allow a decent overclock on an LGA 775 cpu.

I had the same CPU as you, on an Asus P5QL-VM EPU LGA775 MicroATX motherboard with Corsair XMS2-6400 4GB (2x2) 800MHz DDR2, it was pretty limited, certainly not something I would add a GPU to for gaming. Even if I added an Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q9550 and Corsair XMS2-8500 8GB (4x2) 1066MHz DDR2 it would bottleneck an MSI 7950 and the bios would offer limited OC potential, which itself would need a reasonable cooler.

Your PSU dates from around 2006 also?

I think your hard drives are fine, you would probably even get by on medium settings with the HD-5770 on a 1080p resolution, with a G3258/Z97 combo.

May I ask what case you use and CPU cooler?

Could be worth looking for a case/psu/cooler/motherboard/cpu/ram, and using your current hard drives and GPU, then later upgrade to the best single GPU you can.

To give you some context, I have three old LGA 775 systems, two were capable of gaming, these were both good overclocking P45 chipset LGA775 motherboards, Asus Maximus II gene and a Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3P. I have C2D E8500, C2Q Q9550 CPU's, 4gb of PC8500 Dominator GT, 8gb of Corsair XMS2 PC8500.

Bequiet, Noctua, Scythe coolers. And used a 630w Bequiet and 650w Seasonic PSU's with them.

The biggest GPU each would run, though I feel the old systems limited performance, was the MSI Twin Frozr 7950, that and an SSD made the biggest difference. I also have AMD HD4870 and HD5750 GPU's that work ok on many games at medium settings, but really are not up to much when compared to newer budget GPU's.

My Asus P5QL-VM sits as a plaything for server and linux software, using it's on board GPU, I had upgraded to a Pentium 6300 in that, it's not worth using for games, but it now has a Q9550 and 8gb Corsair XMS2 in it after my Gigabyte motherboard got damaged beyond repair.

I saw absolutely no point buying a second hand LGA775 P45 motherboard to replace that, I bought a very capable Gigabyte Z97X-SOC Intel Z97 motherboard on yesterdays today only deal for £105 to replace my blown Gigabyte LGA775. Every replacement P45 with the same features as my old motherboard were going for almost as much as a new Z97 motherboard anyway. You would have to have a screw loose to buy old LGA 775 stuff at the same price as new up to date Haswell kit.

I will be buying the G3258 to replace the Q9550, and adding 8gb of Kingston DDR3 2400Mhz memory to replace the 8gb of DDR2 I had.

Had my Q9550 stopped working, I would have moved to Z97, if my 8gb of DDR2 had stopped working, I would have moved to a Z97 system with DDR3.
Old kit is simply priced too high for the performance it offers in comparison to newer tech and current pricing.

I had intended to use my Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3P/Q9550/8gb XMS2 DDR2 until Skylake had been out for a few months. Now I plan to use the Z97/G3258 for a year.

I honestly think a Z97 motherboard such as the Gigabyte you originally chose, with the Kingston memory, and a G3258 will provide you with a decent platform to upgrade upon as your finances allow. Skylake will be a whole new system, DDR4 etc, but I bet we will see imorovements within six months of release, as such buying a Z97 now is worthwhile instead of waiting a year with such a low spec system.

An E8500 overclocks well, but you have to consider the cost, including delivery, of an old CPU like that, usually £18. Or a Q9550, usually £65. Usually DDR2 PC6400 and PC8500 ends at around £35 delivered for 2x2gb, around £60 to £70 for 8gb of second hand DDR2.

None of these can match a new Haswell chip, or DDR3, and the Pentium G3258 has plenty of reviews showing it bench and offer exceptional performance and overclocking ability which make it a viable i5 alternative for a budget gaming rig for many a new game.

Now to me £18 is a lot when a better CPU is only £55 new. £60 on an old Quad cpu is a lot if a new £55 dual core betters it in most benchmarks.

When you start looking at dual graphics cards it is not all roses either, you could be looking at 750w to 1000w power supplies, new bigger cases with stronger GPU cooling ability, and not all games benefit, or run smoothly.
If you have a 1080p monitor, you are simply better off with a single card in most situations, I run a 1080p 120hz gaming monitor, I have two MSI 7950, but the second GPU is never in there, it's always getting passed around other systems.

There is also an argument for current tech. Right now the AMD 290 and 290X offer quite simply the best bang for buck, the Nvidia 980 does not offer the extra expense worth of performance, though it does offer superb efficiency, for 4k gaming two 290 out perform two 970, and two 290X perform as well as two 980 if not better.

Any crossfire/sli set up will need a new PSU, and people quote efficency. But the fact is, you may save power with Nvidia, but there is little cost difference between a 750w/850w/1000w psu, all are as efficient as each other with such loads as that optimal efficiency is always within that middle 3rd, and the cost of the electricity difference is neglegable as rarely will anyone be gaming at 4k for 24 hours a week every month within that year to meet the quoted expenses some benchmarks make up.

It is the same with games, in the past if you wanted the best game rig, you went with a dual core, because they clocked higher than the Q6600 and Q9550 quads, no game was benefitting from more cores. Roll on half a decade plus. Multi core gaming is still in it's infancy, most games are ported from cosole titles, and many see no benefit over 60hz.

Which is why the G3258 offers such great performance for a budget gaming rig for many purchasers, as does a decent mid range GPU, and a 550w to 650w psu. It still walks all over the latest consoles, and offers more performance than required for a 1080p tv or monitor.

In fact, it has only been recently, that any demand has been made on gamer systems in my opinion. FarCry 4 and Dragons Age Inquisition both require 4 cores, FarCry 4 will not play on a dual core such as the G3258. And AMD's 4 core offerings are less capable than i5.

Which is why buying a Z97 with 8gb of memory makes so much sense right now for anyone contemplating upgrades on old hardware with new second hand old hardware.
 
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I wouldn't be fussed with SLI, as you'll need to spend more on a motherboard now & then upgrade the PSU in the future meaning more money.

A 960 would be a good card that will comfortably handle 1080p.
 
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