Tips at restaurants

If there's a preapplied service charge I pay it. If there's not and an option to tip on the card machine, I do 10%. If not, then they might be out of luck as I rarely carry much cash.

I try to avoid eating at places where there's much chance of being dissatisfied.
 
Look at the bigger picture.

If everyone gave a tip when they got good service then the quality of the service everyone gets would increase.

Tefal said:
except it doesn't, because then it would just be expected.

much like a customer expecting staff to do the job they're paid for.
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I agree with Tefal on this one. It's already manifesting itself here.

I think people are starting to expect tips for even the most basics of service, not particularly "good" or "above and beyond" service, just what you would expect from a service industry; to be served what you wanted.

So it's basing itself on the "American" model, but without the negatives of the "American" model, people over here in the service industry get an "OK" deal, I haven't said great deal, because it's not, it's still low paid work, but it's simple low skilled work so will always be costed accordingly on a level of skill needed to do it and volume of people available to do it; but if you're over 21 you can get £6.50 an hour regardless, so it is in my opinion; "OK".

Over there, you'll get less than minimum wage, expect to get X amount of tips regardless and get taxed accordingly even if you don't earn that amount. So it is a case of impoverished waiter vs. "tightwad" non tipper. Whereas over here it's more a case of "not so impoverished waiter getting guaranteed minimum wage" vs. "person who doesn't want to pay a mandatory extra for the bare minimum of service". That's not to say I agree with the "American" model, I think it's abhorrent that people get paid less than minimum wage, and are then assumed to be reliant on the general public to top up the wages via tips, rather than with increased food & drinks costs.
 
Skillmister said:
Waiters/servers/bar staff should be giving good service as standard. They should be a representation of the business and so "tip worthy" service should be the norm, not something I should be expected to pay extra on top for.
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exactly if there were no tipping rubbish the best staff would be hired or you wouldn't get people in the doors.
 
Food for thought, tippers are saving the eat-in food industry billions every year, because they have no need to improve the basic wage of waiting staff that do a good job.
 
Sagalout said:
If it's a regular restaurant or bar you'll generally get better service in the future. If it's a busy bar and you're there all night, give a great tip on the first drink and you'll get great service all night.
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So basically, what you're saying is this, if you don't grease their palms with a bribe they provide you with **** service?
 
Not really.

We have mostly been talking about restaurants, but take bars for example. When I had a bar job many years ago, on a Friday or Saturday night when it was like 5 people deep with everyone trying to get to the bar, if somebody tipped me (which was very few) then I would always serve them first when I saw them come back to the bar for more drinks, regardless of whether other people might have been waiting longer.

You can see it how you like from both ways, but at the end of the day if somebody was going to tip me, when nearly everyone else didn't, they got special treatment.
 
Jeez, yet another thread about tipping! This is the third one i've seen on here, and yep, this one went exactly the same as the last 2!
 
Nexus said:
Not really.

We have mostly been talking about restaurants, but take bars for example. When I had a bar job many years ago, on a Friday or Saturday night when it was like 5 people deep with everyone trying to get to the bar, if somebody tipped me (which was very few) then I would always serve them first when I saw them come back to the bar for more drinks, regardless of whether other people might have been waiting longer.

You can see it how you like from both ways, but at the end of the day if somebody was going to tip me, when nearly everyone else didn't, they got special treatment.
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Exactly my point - we'll worth a few extra quid :)
 
arknor said:
5 deep and you have time to scan the crowd? I'd sack your lazy ass
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I guess you've never worked in a bar then....

You aren't just standing still, you are constantly moving to get drinks from optics, mix things, get something out of a fridge etc. Plus, a good bar person should be watching the people coming to the bar so that you are aware of who you should be serving next.

It's been years since I worked in a bar, but its pretty infuriating when bar staff aren't paying attention to the people waiting, and thus don't serve those who have been waiting longer.
 
Nexus said:
That's a bit of a naive comment to be honest.

Most people who have a regular carer who they know by name will be probably give them gifts if they can, especially at the end of the year and occasions like Christmas. Yes, it might not be a cash gift, but it's still a reward for your hard work.
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how about a carer in a care home? they usually will get spat at, swore at and often attacked by the patients rather than given gifts

not always because the patients are bad people but because their brains are so far gone that some times as far as there aware they're randomly being stripped naked by a stranger, when a few minutes ago they were happily talking about how much they were looking forward to their bath and asking for help getting their clothes off and getting in.

frankly our care industry is an appalling place for both the workers and the patients.


Yes, if the service is so bad that it doesn't warrant it.
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i find this funny, "oh if the service is bad i wont tip"

err you just paid the price for good service (the bare minimum is good service) you should be getting a discount for having ahd bad service not simply withholding the bonus.
 
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