Jeremy Clarkson suspended from BBC

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Castiel said:
My point is that Cohen might have jumped the gun a bit. As no one has actually filed a grievance, JC informed them of an altercation as he should have done, but going by rumor (which is all we have) the altercation was not ongoing or anything more than a loss of tempers after a particularly stressful day.
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That's not an excuse to assault someone. Nobody should be the victim of being punched at work (yes I know there are very few exceptions to this) and the employer has a duty to prevent further issues.

Castiel said:
The prudent course, given the production and broadcasting obligations, would have been to find out whether the team could continue to work together while an internal investigation was under way. If not, or if a complaint was received then other routes should be considered, inc using suspension.

Cohen does, on the face of it, seem to have gleefully gone full throttle. Not only suspending JC, but cancelling Top Gear (albeit temporarily) and ensuring the whole thing is being played out in the public domain.
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Perhaps that would have been the pragmatic way forward but if this was an assault in any other workplace, by anyone else, I would very much expect a suspension. Whilst the stakes are high for the BBC, they can't ignore this.
 
Tummy said:
Honestly, would not surprise me if Clarkson was to leave (fired, quit) and went to get a nice job with his friends at Sky :). Then using his Sky platform to talk about how rubbish the BBC is and how much of a waste of the license fee payers money it is.
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It would be ironic if he was on Sky telling people people who are paying £40 a month to watch CSI Miami and 'A League Of Their own' that people paying £12 a month for TV stations that show the majority of the most watched programmes in the UK and the most popular radio stations worldwide they are wasting their money.
 
The only thing the Beeb has really done wrong is publicise it all the way it has and released statements and news bites on the matter before any investigation has actually taken place, very, very silly things for any Employer to be doing with regard to possible Legal Proceedings against any Employee let alone a highly public figure like Clarkson.
 
Castiel said:
My point is that Cohen might have jumped the gun a bit. As no one has actually filed a grievance, JC informed them of an altercation as he should have done, but going by rumor (which is all we have) the altercation was not ongoing or anything more than a loss of tempers after a particularly stressful day. The prudent course, given the production and broadcasting obligations, would have been to find out whether the team could continue to work together while an internal investigation was under way. If not, or if a complaint was received then other routes should be considered, inc using suspension.

Cohen does, on the face of it, seem to have gleefully gone full throttle. Not only suspending JC, but cancelling Top Gear (albeit temporarily) and ensuring the whole thing is being played out in the public domain.
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Why is it you want to say the details of what actually happened are just 'rumour' and hearsay (we have a couple of reports saying he split the producer's lip with a punch who then had to be taken to A&E, but I assume you don't believe then), yet you put forward the story about Cohen hating Clarkson as established fact?

The story about Danny Cohen holding a grudge against Clarkson was from the same paper that said JC split Tymon's lip, so why cherry pick one part of the story and disregard the other part (you don't like)?

Personally I ain't buying it. If Cohen hates JC then he's had plenty of ammunition to get rid over the last year and half. Carol Thatcher was dismissed on the spot from the One Show for making just one racially fuelled remark so it's not like he wouldn't have had a precedent to point to.

Tape emerges showing JC clearly using the N word during a report for the BBC. No action at all taken. A racial slur (although less well known) is used again and this time it is broadcast and yet again, no action taken.

Cohen was in charge during both of those incidents and did nothing, so it doesn't make any sense that he now pulls the show and is trying oust Clarkson over a minor disagreement.

I've heard all sorts of daft conspiracies in this desperate attempt to get JC back on TV. It's all a publicity stunt for ratings (BBC ratings fell on Sunday), It's just a grudge the director has against Clarkson who's been trying to get rid of him for years (despite him taking no action the numerous times before when he could have); but my favourite one has to be 'He couldn't have punched anyone because he has no history of that...oh except that one time he did punch someone but that doesn't count"
 
estebanrey said:
Why is it you want to say the details of what actually happened are just 'rumour' and hearsay (we have a couple of reports saying he split the producer's lip with a punch who then had to be taken to A&E, but I assume you don't believe then), yet you put forward the story about Cohen hating Clarkson as established fact?

The story about Danny Cohen holding a grudge against Clarkson was from the same paper that said JC split Tymon's lip, so why cherry pick one part of the story and disregard the other part (you don't like)?

Personally I ain't buying it. If Cohen hates JC then he's had plenty of ammunition to get rid over the last year and half. Carol Thatcher was dismissed on the spot from the One Show for making just one racially fuelled remark so it's not like he wouldn't have had a precedent to point to.

Tape emerges showing JC clearly using the N word during a report for the BBC. No action at all taken. A racial slur (although less well known) is used again and this time it is broadcast and yet again, no action taken.
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Why would you go to A&E with a busted lip? You have also heard reports that no punch was thrown.

Clearly using the N word is a bit of a stretch. He hummed the whole thing, and seeing as the original version of that ryhme does use the N word then you will of course put that word to that noise.

The blame can't be put soley on JC with regards to what TG shows. After it is filmed it goes through various stages where bits that could be deemed offensive can easily be edited out. The BBC chooses not to do this.

I'll admit I am a fan of JC, and if he did hit someone then he has over stepped the mark. Does he deserved to be sacked? Possibly. Doesn't mean he should be sacked (I would have the same stance with anyone in the world of work, incidents happen under stress and heat of the moment, however that is still not an excuse to allow it to happen).

Think the BBC's handling of this could have been better. Especially with how it treats its viewers.
 
cainer said:
some more ammunition for you here buddy.. https://uk.tv.yahoo.com/jeremy-clar...-of-vomit--–-daily-tv-round-up-105918849.html
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I'm not sure I would go as far as saying his comments regarding taxi drivers are racist.

“You have a chap who has just arrived from a country you’ve never heard of, whose car smells faintly of lavender oil and sick, who doesn’t know where he’s going and can’t get there anyway because he never puts more than £2 worth of fuel in the tank of his car.

“Then you have someone in a suit in a smart black Mercedes S-Class who does know where he’s going and is very polite but he charges around £7,500 a mile.”
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He takes the **** out of two types of taxi driver? I'm not as highly strung as a lot of people however.
 
balky12 said:
Why would you go to A&E with a busted lip? You have also heard reports that no punch was thrown.

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You're missing the point.

I was not promoting those as theories but asking why some parts of this story which also have no evidence (like Cohen hating Clarkson) are being taken as read but other parts which have been equally reported (the split lip being an example) are being dismissed as just gossip.

I know the answer, people cherry pick the bits they like to fit the narrative they've already convinced themselves they want to be true.

balky12 said:
Think the BBC's handling of this could have been better. Especially with how it treats its viewers.
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What exactly have they mis-handled? They release a short statement saying Clarkson had been suspended and the show wouldn't be aired last Sunday. That's all they've said so far.

The producer has also stayed quiet. What have they done wrong given they can't take out an injunction preventing others from constantly making it headline news.
 
estebanrey said:
What exactly have they mis-handled? They release a short statement saying Clarkson had been suspended and the show wouldn't be aired last Sunday. That's all they've said so far.
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I would argue the cancellation of the show (and the next two); seeing as tax payers have already paid for those, and there was no need to cancel them.
 
estebanrey said:
Tape emerges showing JC clearly using the N word during a report for the BBC. No action at all taken.
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The outtake tape that "emerged" clearly showed JC not using the N word as it was one of three takes where he recited a rhyme featuring the N word but substituted a different word instead, in the end the take which was most obviously a different word was used, however all three takes featured substitute words including the one that caused complaints from the partially deaf. Hence why no action was taken.



estebanrey said:
A racial slur (although less well known) is used again and this time it is broadcast and yet again, no action taken.
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You mean the "slur" which is featured in multiple BBC programs every year, including kids films? Until the complaints by the anti-JC brigade it wasn't even known as a bad slur in this country, hence why it was on the BBC's OK list (hence why it made it past censors into the final program).
 
ubersonic said:
The outtake tape that "emerged" clearly showed JC not using the N word as it was one of three takes where he recited a rhyme featuring the N word but substituted a different word instead, in the end the take which was most obviously a different word was used, however all three takes featured substitute words including the one that caused complaints from the partially deaf. Hence why no action was taken.
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What 'substitute' word was being used because it sounds like poor attempt at, and somehow not managing to, muffling the N word to me.

ubersonic said:
You mean the "slur" which is featured in multiple BBC programs every year, including kids films? Until the complaints by the anti-JC brigade it wasn't even known as a bad slur in this country, hence why it was on the BBC's OK list (hence why it made it past censors into the final program).
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Writing slur in quotation marks doesn't make it any less of one. It is listed here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs

..and its attribution as a racial slur comes from 1996 (so it didn't just become one in hindsight after Clarkson used it).

Which are the kiddie shows regularly calling Asian people "slopes" are what are the BBC shows that throw it around so fragrantly week in and week out?

Besides, yet again my original point here is being missed. Whether you consider the two above as non-issues personally is irrelevant due to the fact they attracted a lot of media attention, both were heavily criticised, Clarkson felt the need to film a personal apology for one and they did bring the show into disrepute. Yet, despite all this a supposedly vengeful Danny Cohen who hates JC's guts took no action at all, but then pulls the whole show recently over a 'minor spat' with a colleague that would otherwise have gone unpublished. My point is that makes no sense.
 
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estebanrey said:
Writing slur in quotation marks doesn't make it any less of one. It is listed here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs
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Now look through that list. If we were banned from using those words in case someone somewhere took it the wrong way it would be a dire situation.

Paddy? Seriously? List lost credibility there.

Anyways, time for me to come in from the garden and put my spade down. Hun has just cooked my a nice orea brownie. Going to wash that down with a nice gin. ;)
 
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estebanrey said:
What 'substitute' word was being used because it sounds like poor attempt at, and somehow not managing to, muffling the N word to me.
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It and the other take are supposed to look like that, the word used was Nagger (he reportedly got the idea from south park) however he decided it sounded too close like the real word so that take was one of the unused ones.


estebanrey said:
Writing slur in quotation marks doesn't make it any less of one.
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No but it being a lesser known/severe one does.


estebanrey said:
Which are the kiddie shows regularly calling Asian people "slopes"
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Off hand, the Karate kid films use it and are regularly shown by the BBC pre watershed, the are of course more examples.


estebanrey said:
Clarkson felt the need to film a personal apology for one
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No he didn't, he filmed the apology for anyone who took offense at the medias misreports alleging he had used the N word, adding that their reports disgusted him too.
 
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