Nvidia Corporation’s Ethical Pricing Problem – Monopolistic Price Skimming or Fair Value?

Boomstick777 · 20 Mar 2015 at 14:32

The current state of the pro GPU market has transformed from an acceptably capitalistic venture to the point where one looks around wide eyed at the rising costs of a piece of silicon and wonders how no trust laws have been broken. Nvidia’s (NASDAQ: NVDA) current pricing tactics are something which have raised many an eyebrow but this particular pricing revision was one that, I must admit, resulted in an exasperated sigh from my part.

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No Flaming / Baiting plz.

ALXAndy · 20 Mar 2015 at 14:34

The TITAN-X – None of the perks, but still with some of the cost of going Pro

Exactly what I think. Why they removed the DP is a mystery.

Gregster · 20 Mar 2015 at 14:37

Sorry for this and it normally bugs me but....

I can see this thread getting red hot with ragers

snips86x · 20 Mar 2015 at 14:39

thebennyboy · 20 Mar 2015 at 14:39

Nothing wrong with Nvidia's pricing. Needs some heavy competition from AMD! After all, people can choose what they like. Nvidia don't have a monopoly, don't even know how this was suggested! Both Nvidia and AMD have had bad PR this year so both need to re-build consumer trust.

Boomstick777 · 20 Mar 2015 at 14:40

ALXAndy said:
The TITAN-X – None of the perks, but still with some of the cost of going Pro

Exactly what I think. Why they removed the DP is a mystery.

I agree that the removal of DP has reduced the value somewhat as this was the basis of this new uber price tier of the Titan brand to begin with, however there are still perks to the Titan X being tremendous gaming performance today and 12GB frame buffer.

The performance bar has been raised and with no direct competition from AMD I guess Nvidia can charge whatever they like. Hopefully 390X isn't to far away and can knock high end prices into touch.

Preferably before I buy a Titan X in April

elmuzzy66. · 20 Mar 2015 at 14:42

Boomstick777 said:
I agree that the removal of DP has reduced the value somewhat as this was the basis of this new uber price tier of the Titan brand to begin with, however there are still perks to the Titan X being tremendous gaming performance today and 12GB frame buffer.

The performance bar has been raised and with no direct competition from AMD I guess Nvidia can charge whatever they like. Hopefully 390X isn't to far away and can knock high end prices into touch.

Preferably before I buy a Titan X in April

Don't you find that with amd of late you/we use the word hope a lot? Sums AMD at the moment.

FoxEye · 20 Mar 2015 at 14:43

Whatever they want to charge, let them. Kaap will always keep them in business

"A billion dollars per card? Sure, I'll take 4."

TheRealDeal · 20 Mar 2015 at 14:44

The Titan X is no different to 8800gtx/gtx280/gtx580 as they were the full part gaming cards but they were priced much lower. The original Titan at least came with the benefit of having good dp compute to justify why it was in a higher tier of price bracket. With the Titan X Nvidia have now officially made a new price bracket as it offers nothing bar extra performance just like all top end geforce cards of the past.

In my opinion this is very much Price Skimming.

The funny thing is for gamers it's still a bargain compared to the Titan Z's Launch price of over 2k.

Rroff · 20 Mar 2015 at 14:46

Boomstick777 said:
I agree that the removal of DP has reduced the value somewhat as this was the basis of this new uber price tier of the Titan brand to begin with, however there are still perks to the Titan X being tremendous gaming performance today and 12GB frame buffer.

The performance bar has been raised and with no direct competition from AMD I guess Nvidia can charge whatever they like. Hopefully 390X isn't to far away and can knock high end prices into touch.

Preferably before I buy a Titan X in April

If they actually make cards where they slap 12GB, etc. amounts of VRAM on and people are prepared to pay for that I don't see the problem aslong as their normal range of cards aren't too excessive.

Aslong as the cards like the 470, 780 GHZ, etc. still exist at the kind of price points they usually (used to be) are I'm not going to be complaining.

DmitryD · 20 Mar 2015 at 14:47

NVIDIA is not a charity and it's getting more expensive and longer to get performance improvements that would get new sales, Intel also undermines market by including good enough for most people GPUs as part of their CPUs.

All that means people will have to pay more for less, that's why prices are raising. Same thing with Intel actually in server CPUs space.

Nelly · 20 Mar 2015 at 14:48

Graphics cards haven't even gone up with inflation really have they?

The price is a premium for a premium product, if AMD come out with some amazing card than was 30% faster than a Titan X, I very much doubt it would be cheaper do you?

Boomstick777 said:
Preferably before I buy a Titan X in April

I can see you buying a Titan X, then down the line selling it for a 390X, don't you ever think how much money you could save by taking abit longer to decide? You sold your X99 setup after praising it to the gods. :confused:

Boomstick777 · 20 Mar 2015 at 14:48

elmuzzy66. said:
Don't you find that with amd of late you/we use the word hope a lot? Sums AMD at the moment.

Yeah I totally agree, with Nvidia you have questionable ethics / customer support.. But, you have the best hardware and drivers are ready for new games at launch. Creating a solid experience.

AMD although they do have fairer prices and good seem to have good intentions with regard to the consumer more often than not seem to fail on delivery.

I'm not sure which is worse lol. I tend to go with who has the best hardware, right now Nvidia are ahead.

Think we all want AMD to do well for sake of competition. In the meantime Nvidia have best hardware today.

ALXAndy · 20 Mar 2015 at 14:49

Boomstick777 said:
I agree that the removal of DP has reduced the value somewhat as this was the basis of this new uber price tier of the Titan brand to begin with, however there are still perks to the Titan X being tremendous gaming performance today and 12GB frame buffer.

The performance bar has been raised and with no direct competition from AMD I guess Nvidia can charge whatever they like. Hopefully 390X isn't to far away and can knock high end prices into touch.

Preferably before I buy a Titan X in April

DP was the Titan price's only real saving grace.

I'm a very rational, logical person. I can apply logic and calculus to products and the only real 'excuse' Titan had was that it was a bloody good way to build yourself a pro workstation with all that VRAM.

For gaming? heck, even I have to concede that a grand for a 12gb gaming card is utterly silly.

Still, I guess if Nvidia have done the maths well enough and worked it all out it'll sell and they'll make money but it makes far less sense to me than Titan and Titan Black, that's for sure.

Boomstick777 · 20 Mar 2015 at 14:50

Nelly said:
Graphics cards haven't even gone up with inflation really have they?

The price is a premium for a premium product, if AMD come out with some amazing card than was 30% faster than a Titan X, I very much doubt it would be cheaper do you?I can see you buying a Titan X, then down the line selling it for a 390X, don't you ever think how much money you could save by taking abit longer to decide? You sold your X99 setup after praising it to the gods.

Not sure where you got all this from matey. I never sold my X99 setup, I gave it to my son and I moved to MITX. I don't have the room for X99 setup. That's the only reason. (Bet Nelly doesn't respond to this though :rolleyes:

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Yes I will likely move to 390X after Titan X but only if performance is better. I go with the performance not the camp. Can't wait forever for AMD..

RanxZy · 20 Mar 2015 at 14:50

They have so much strength in the market because AMD have been so slow to compete.

Nelly · 20 Mar 2015 at 14:59

Boomstick777 said:
Not sure where you got all this from matey. I never sold my X99 setup, I gave it to my son and I moved to MITX. I don't have the room for X99 setup. That's the only reason. (Bet Nelly doesn't respond to this though )

But Nelly did! :eek:

I thought you had compulsive buying disorder lol.

I wasn't having a dig haha, I just notice you buy new things then within months sell them on members market making quick losses, I suppose it really doesn't matter when you sell stuff, it's always losing money anyway.

Boomstick777 said:
Yes I will likely move to 390X after Titan X but only if performance is better. I go with the performance not the camp. Can't wait forever for AMD..

Fair enough, I used to be the same.

Kaapstad · 20 Mar 2015 at 15:02

ALXAndy said:
DP was the Titan price's only real saving grace.

I'm a very rational, logical person. I can apply logic and calculus to products and the only real 'excuse' Titan had was that it was a bloody good way to build yourself a pro workstation with all that VRAM.

For gaming? heck, even I have to concede that a grand for a 12gb gaming card is utterly silly.

Still, I guess if Nvidia have done the maths well enough and worked it all out it'll sell and they'll make money but it makes far less sense to me than Titan and Titan Black, that's for sure.

I intend to be using most of that 12gb 10mins after I have the cards watercooled and installed together. BF4 maxed with resolution scaling to 8k will be fun and should manage well over 60 fps.

kazuya1337 · 20 Mar 2015 at 15:02

The Titan X is not needed for gaming, it's a luxury and if everyone could afford it, it wouldn't be a luxury.

Boomstick777 · 20 Mar 2015 at 15:03

Nelly said:
But Nelly did! I thought you had compulsive buying disorder lol.

I wasn't having a dig haha, I just notice you buy new things then within months sell them on members market making quick losses, I suppose it really doesn't matter when you sell stuff, it's always losing money anyway.Fair enough, I used to be the same.

Yeah I've found if you buy at a good price then sell just as new stuff arrives you can keep most of the coin you spent out and stay at the high end.

Like you said you can lose money by buying and keeping for years as well, I figure at least with my way you get to try all the latest stuff