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Kaapstad said:
Live with it 2160p is here and it's not going away.

As for sales data around the world in countries like Japan, Korea and USA for example I suspect that they buy a lot more 2160p displays than we do.
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You seem to not understand, I have no issues with enthusiast technologies such as 4K, Titan X. Progress is great to see, and will quickly filter down to the high end/midrange over the next few months/years as new products get released.

You are however woefully mistaken if you believe that 4k monitors and the GPU horsepower to drive them are common place for the average gamer. I believe it to be less than 1% of gamers who have both 4k monitors and the horsepower to drive them.
 
andybird123 said:
I have. literally, you said that 4K and by association potential Titan X represent less than 1% of "PC gamers", the problem is that installed base based on up to 10 years of historical purhcases isnt really relevant to a discussion about current selling patterns (which is what the thread is about and what kaap was obviously referring to).

So yes, literally, if you include anyone who has ever run any type of "game" on their PC, you are right, however the point kaap was clearly trying to make is that 4K is becoming a significant portion of sales for PC gaming proper. The thread is about pricing, sales, and future sales/pricing... The Steam survey is about none of these. The source of your "1%" is not relevant to the overall discussion you joined.
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You are aware that the steam hardware survey updates itself, right?

The most recent data is from February. This survey doesn't include data from years ago, only from what people were actually using in February.

The steam hardware survey is the largest collection of PC specs for gaming PC's that we can access, there is literally no other survey/database with anywhere near as many PC gamers.

I'd be interested in seeing your data, so go ahead and link to your sources where you claim 4k monitor takeup (plus the gpu horsepower to power them) are exploding in the marketplace, it will be very interesting to see.

Oh, and just saying that Gibbo told you that 4K monitors are selling like hotcakes doesn't quantify as the overall picture, just so you know.
 
Dave2150 said:
You seem to not understand, I have no issues with enthusiast technologies such as 4K, Titan X. Progress is great to see, and will quickly filter down to the high end/midrange over the next few months/years as new products get released.

You are however woefully mistaken if you believe that 4k monitors and the GPU horsepower to drive them are common place for the average gamer. I believe it to be less than 1% of gamers who have both 4k monitors and the horsepower to drive them.
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Have you not noticed how 4gb cards have really taken off in the last 12 months. Even lower mid range cards like the GTX 960 are being sold with 4gb.

Technology moves on and 4gb and 6gb cards are not enough looking forward.

12 months ago 2gb was enough, now all it is good for on my monitor is reading emails and browsing forums.

4K is very well established in Japan and at the moment the big thing for them is to make 8K mainstream in time for the 2020 Olympics. The only card on sale at the moment which will cope at that resolution is the 12gb Titan X, not even the upcoming 8gb 390X will be up to the job.
 
Dave2150 said:
You are aware that the steam hardware survey updates itself, right?

The most recent data is from February. This survey doesn't include data from years ago, only from what people were actually using in February.

The steam hardware survey is the largest collection of PC specs for gaming PC's that we can access, there is literally no other survey/database with anywhere near as many PC gamers.

I'd be interested in seeing your data, so go ahead and link to your sources where you claim 4k monitor takeup (plus the gpu horsepower to power them) are exploding in the marketplace, it will be very interesting to see.

Oh, and just saying that Gibbo told you that 4K monitors are selling like hotcakes doesn't quantify as the overall picture, just so you know.
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Installed user base for 4K monitors/TVs around the world is 7% and growing, you can google this yourself if you want to check.
 
if someone is still using a card that went EOL 5 years ago, is that sales data from now? Or 5 years ago?
Kaap and I are talking about current sales, you aren't. The thread is about current and future pricing and sales. You've stepped into a conversation about one thing and have gone off on a tangent about something not related, it is no wonder you are getting confused by peoples responses

As ive already said, just being a steam user isnt the section of the market i would refer to when talking about "PC gaming" - steams best sellers list includes a big portion of games that recommend a dual core cpu and the lowest of 6 series nvidia cards (e.g. On par with current APU's)
 
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Kaapstad said:
The bottom line is if you watch TV @4K you are going to want to game at 4K as well.
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I don't think that's quite true is it.

There will be many people with 4K TV's that don't have any interest in PC gaming. If they use a console it can't even do 4K.

There's definitely a growing market though for 4K PC gaming and one you can't just ignore because it isn't mainstream yet.
 
Ayahuasca said:
I don't think that's quite true is it.

There will be many people with 4K TV's that don't have any interest in PC gaming. If they use a console it can't even do 4K.

There's definitely a growing market though for 4K PC gaming and one you can't just ignore because it isn't mainstream yet.
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+1
 
Kaapstad said:
No mistake at all

The bottom line is if you watch TV @4K you are going to want to game at 4K as well.
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Yeah I'll go with that.

I recently fired up my other PC and plugged it into a 1080p monitor and it just looks like ass.

Seriously, it's all fuzzy and horrible and large.

Once you go 4k going back is terribly painful.
 
Ayahuasca said:
I don't think that's quite true is it.

There will be many people with 4K TV's that don't have any interest in PC gaming. If they use a console it can't even do 4K.

There's definitely a growing market though for 4K PC gaming and one you can't just ignore because it isn't mainstream yet.
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Again, I think you are misreading what kaap is meaning.
People are gradually moving to 4K TV's as being "standard", 4K as a feature is becoming less premium and more and more in mainstream models in pricing, as it does so, those that have 4K TV's AND do gaming will want to game in 4K as well. Early adopters buying 4K TV's are unlikely to stick with 1080p on their PC for gaming.

We also do get quite a few threads on here asking about connecting 4K TV's and PC's, so it isnt completely unheard of.
 
4k GAMING constitutes a tiny percentage of PC Gamers. Perfectly understandable given costs, statistics and frankly common sense.

4k will become the standard but that's not for many years IMO.
 
I bought a 4k TV primarily to use as my PC gaming screen.

I didn't buy it to watch 4k content, because there really isn't any.

So now I game at 3180x2160 @ 60hz on a 58" TV (from the comfort of the sofa)
 
How long did it take the mainstream broadcasters to film in, and distribute, 1080p on a large scale?

Unless something crazy happens I can't see 4k ( 8k, just lol) being as widely available as standard HD is now for years to come, and by then nobody will care about Titan Xs.

Mainstream gamers won't be interested in 4k until a single mid range (£150-200) card can run it at 40-60fps and 4k monitors are the default choice rather than the exception.

Not to mention all the broadcasters will still have the massive fail of the big 3D push still ringing in their ears, so are unlikely to push anything as hard again.
 
Ayahuasca said:
I haven't misunderstood it at all, he used a 7% user base figure for TV's and monitors, the reality is out of that 7% it's probably only 1% using 4K for gaming.
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And then we go back round in circles. This thread isn't about the installed base, it is about what people are buying. People are who are buying monitors for gaming are buying in to 4K. Just because someone plays candy crush on a PC doesn't make them a "PC gamer" in the sense that actually matters to this conversation.
 
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