Yes. I'm in road Haulage. I have 34 drivers out each night too.
Hit by Lorry this morning! - Dashcam footage
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Yes. I'm in road Haulage. I have 34 drivers out each night too.
same difference really, that is not always possible. for example turning right at a roundabout and being in the far right lane would result in a huge swing around to avoid beaching on the island when the rear axle starts to pivot around itself on the sharp turn.
its more beneficial to start left and have a more gradual turn.
Well that's a bit extreme O.o
I can't help but laugh at some answers in this thread.
Yes, a lorry may well need to go over multiple lanes to turn. The OP took this into account and went wide. He took the turn as wide as it goes and in my opinion not too fast. If the truck was NOT going straight on, he could have took the turn along with the OP. But, the reason that he got hit is because it did NOT go left as expected.
From some of the answers of people in this thread, it sounds like you suggest never leaving your driveway because anything could happen. You could drive along a single carriageway which has a junction on your left, but someone on the oncoming lane may decide they want to turn in there infront of you. Or they may want to do a U-turn on that same stretch of road. Or you could never overtake a car or truck on a dual carriage way, because they might just might decide they want to pull out into the outside lane even if there is no reason to overtake.
End result is, the OP took it into consideration and went wide, but because this truck driver decided not to go the correct way he drove into him.
Yes, a lorry may well need to go over multiple lanes to turn. The OP took this into account and went wide. He took the turn as wide as it goes and in my opinion not too fast. If the truck was NOT going straight on, he could have took the turn along with the OP. But, the reason that he got hit is because it did NOT go left as expected.
From some of the answers of people in this thread, it sounds like you suggest never leaving your driveway because anything could happen. You could drive along a single carriageway which has a junction on your left, but someone on the oncoming lane may decide they want to turn in there infront of you. Or they may want to do a U-turn on that same stretch of road. Or you could never overtake a car or truck on a dual carriage way, because they might just might decide they want to pull out into the outside lane even if there is no reason to overtake.
End result is, the OP took it into consideration and went wide, but because this truck driver decided not to go the correct way he drove into him.
nobody is even hinting that. some are saying that lorries, especially LHD, can be unpredictable and IN HIND SITE hanging back as it was straddling lanes may have been a wise idea and could've saved the OP the hassle in the long run.
u wot mw8t
OP could have driven a little more defensively to avoid the collision (hence insurance premiums sometimes rise even for non-fault accidents).
However the lorry crossed lanes when not safe to do so and did not indicate. Therefore this is the lorries fault. I appreciate that lorries sometimes need to be in the wrong lane, have reduced vision and have to make wide turns. But they should still only do so when indicating and when safe to do so. It was not.
However the lorry crossed lanes when not safe to do so and did not indicate. Therefore this is the lorries fault. I appreciate that lorries sometimes need to be in the wrong lane, have reduced vision and have to make wide turns. But they should still only do so when indicating and when safe to do so. It was not.
He should have stayed in lane behind the hgv who was at the roundabout before him end of story.
Granted yes, but if there are 10 of them in the left lane would you put on your breaks and stop completely, possibly causing a pileup behind you from unexpected breaking and stop and then sit and wait for all of them to go where they fancy going? If the truck was in the middle lane, I would have not gone down his inside, as there is a good chance he will cut over as he goes left (granted he didn't even go left in this case). Just like, if I was going into a roundabout which is two lanes in, two lanes out and I was going straight over with a truck in my left lane I would if I could leave the junction before him proceed, if not I would hang back and let him take the roundabout so that he doesn't cut into me. That is taking general precautions, even so much so that on the same roundabout I would take it on a diagonal with any other car to allow for them to cut into my lane and not crash.
I think this scenario is completely different to anything like that, because the two left lanes go LEFT ONLY and he was in the furthest left. I am sure there are plenty of sign posts and road markings to show this.
of course not. its not really applicable in this situation though is it as lane 1 was empty behind the lorry.
im not sure what so hard to grasp about hanging back in this instance.
I agree wholeheartedly that it was the lorries fault from a legal perspective, personally if I was driving it I would have used by four ways on approach to try and signal I was not going left.
However, I don't agree with the idea that the OP was not at fault, his driving left a lot to be desired. I.E he zoomed into the HGV's blind zone quite fast so the driver probably had no clue he was even there (this may be why the was no indication, because TBH I don't always bother if the is nobody else around). And personally I would have hung back as I wouldn't want to overtake a HGV on a roundabout in the first place, for reasons like this.
indeed even if the lorry was swinging right to turn left, whos to say the Op would not have been squeezed into the traffic island by the lights?
ive come off of roundabouts alongside an artic before and thought "ooh heck this is tight".
Please accept this in the good humour it's intended to lighten the thread.
[PEDANT] If you're going to shout in a post you really ought to spell HINDSIGHT correctly[/PEDANT]
Because at the point of where they both left the roundabout, the OP started to get further ahead of the truck and took the corner wider. If he had swung right to go left, I don't think he would have been anywhere near him. The fact the OP managed to get all but his back bumper past the cab of the truck before he was hit just proves this fact even if he had already moved right to go straight on, he would have moved more right to avoid going straight into the island than he would if he was going left.
Please accept this in the good humour it's intended to lighten the thread.
[PEDANT] If you're going to shout in a post you really ought to spell HINDSIGHT correctly[/PEDANT]
its okay, im done banging my head on a wall
Are you serious? I think you are trying to be - or my sarcasm meter is off.
There are two lanes going left, two. Malt had every right to be in the right hand left turning lane and could not have reasonably expected the lorry to hit him in the manner he did. The fact it's a large lorry doesn't matter - would you suggest the same if he was behind a car rather than a lorry? No - so wind your neck in. If a car had collected him in the same manner there would be no debate.
The lorry driver should have been in the far right lane, maybe straddling the right-most left turning lane to give him the turning room he needed.
Clearly, unequivocally, the HGV driver's fault.
You cannot expect everyone to go completely the wrong way at junctions (If we did expect that only 1 vehicle would move at a time), the lorry was not indicating, showed no real signs of wanting to move over to the right to go straight on. The car driver gave the lorry ample room for him to turn left which is what the lorry would have done 99 out of 100 times. Totally the truck drivers fault. I don't think anyone would have avoided that collision, hindsight is wonderful but offers nothing in this situation imo.
Wind your neck in
You wind your neck in little boy.The hgv was occupying both lanes so the car should have held back in lane and waited to see what the lorry was going to do but no it's all me, me, me... selfish driving and I'm personally glad he got pranged. Lesson learnt.