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Hi there,
I've had my desktop rig for a while now. I only really use it for CS:S or World at War but it's starting to struggle.

The system as it stands is as follows -

Motherboard: DFI Infinity nF4 SLI
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego (2.2GHz)
GPU: ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT (512MB)
RAM: 3x 512MB DDR400 (VData) + 1x 1GB PC3200 (Buffalo)
PSU: 650W Antec TP-650
Cooling: Gigabyte 3DCooler
OS: Windows XP SP3

I've thought of 2 options to get it running ok for now, which are -
1) 4x 1GB DDR400 sticks and a dual core 939 processor, OR
2) Intel Pentium K G3258 Dual Core 3.2GHz, a decent mobo (need help) and 4GB DDR3 ram.

If anyone can give advice or feedback on my options or give me new options, my budget is around £100/£120 and I don't mind using used components.

Thanks

*Edit: Anyone familiar with the Q6600, this seems like a decent quad core to upgrade with?
 
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What sort of connectors are on your hard drive and optical drives?
If they're not sata they will have to be replaced too, and if that's the case it might be more economical to buy a cheap used system.
 
What sort of connectors are on your hard drive and optical drives?
If they're not sata they will have to be replaced too, and if that's the case it might be more economical to buy a cheap used system.

My main hard drive for this system is SATA, but I hadn't even thought about that, do newer mobos not have IDE compatibility? I do also have an IDE-SATA adapter.

jesus i've not seen specs like that for a while!!!
haha :D
 
Go for option 2, definitely, though it will cost closer to 150. Any cheapo 1150 mobo will do, just make sure to check compatibility.
 
If you want to go the K series route you will need a decent motherboard, CPU cooler and case cooling.
If I were you I would just buy a cheap bundle like this: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-016-OK&groupid=2833&catid=2836
It's cheap and cheerful, but will still be a massive upgrade over your current CPU, ram and motherboard. As mentioned earlier though, you will have to upgrade your IDE devices, or find a way to make them work with that board.
I would then advise you to save up £40-50 and keep on eye on the b grade section for a cheap GTX 650. That will give you a massive boost over your current card.
 
If you want to go the K series route you will need a decent motherboard, CPU cooler and case cooling.
If I were you I would just buy a cheap bundle like this: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-016-OK&groupid=2833&catid=2836
It's cheap and cheerful, but will still be a massive upgrade over your current CPU, ram and motherboard. As mentioned earlier though, you will have to upgrade your IDE devices, or find a way to make them work with that board.
I would then advise you to save up £40-50 and keep on eye on the b grade section for a cheap GTX 650. That will give you a massive boost over your current card.

Thanks for the bundle suggestion, is that combo overclockable if I wanted to play with it in the future? I've been thinking about GPU upgrades so that's good to know.

Also as for case cooling I have;
120mm intake through the 5.25 drive bay
80mm intake on the side
80mm exhaust, and
120mm blowing over my GPU which uses a side vent (probably not doing much lol)

Is the stock cooler with the G3258 not adequate?
 
Thanks for the bundle suggestion, is that combo overclockable if I wanted to play with it in the future? I've been thinking about GPU upgrades so that's good to know.

Also as for case cooling I have;
120mm intake through the 5.25 drive bay
80mm intake on the side
80mm exhaust, and
120mm blowing over my GPU which uses a side vent (probably not doing much lol)

Is the stock cooler with the G3258 not adequate?

If you wish to overclock the CPU then the stock cooler is pants, but for just normal running they are fine, albeit do run a bit hot. A cheap cooler should do the trick to keep things lower.

There is a 650 on b grade:
YOUR BASKET
1 x **B Grade** KFA2 GeForce GTX 650 EX OC 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £59.99
Total : £69.59 (includes shipping : £8.00).

 
Thanks for the bundle suggestion, is that combo overclockable if I wanted to play with it in the future? I've been thinking about GPU upgrades so that's good to know.

Also as for case cooling I have;
120mm intake through the 5.25 drive bay
80mm intake on the side
80mm exhaust, and
120mm blowing over my GPU which uses a side vent (probably not doing much lol)

Is the stock cooler with the G3258 not adequate?

No unfortunately. If you want to overclock and for it to be stable then you'll have to buy a decent motherboard and memory, or you will end up facing stability issues or worse, burning out parts of the motherboard.

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Pentium K Anniversary G3258 Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £59.99
1 x **B Grade** Gigabyte Z97P-D3 Intel Z97 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX (MB-498-GI) £49.99
1 x Corsair XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX4GX3M2A1600C9) £35.99
Total : £155.57 (includes shipping : £8.00).



With cheap memory:

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Pentium K Anniversary G3258 Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £59.99
1 x **B Grade** Gigabyte Z97P-D3 Intel Z97 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX (MB-498-GI) £49.99
1 x TeamGroup Elite 4GB (1x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Single Channel Module (TED34GM1600C1101) £25.99
Total : £145.57 (includes shipping : £8.00).



I haven't suggested a cooler, as all the ones I would are out of stock at the moment. Someone else might be able to suggest a cheaper board and a cooler.
 
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No unfortunately. If you want to overclock and for it to be stable then you'll have to buy a decent motherboard and memory, or you will end up facing stability issues or worse, burning out parts of the motherboard.

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Pentium K Anniversary G3258 Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £59.99
1 x **B Grade** Gigabyte Z97P-D3 Intel Z97 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX (MB-498-GI) £49.99
1 x Corsair XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX4GX3M2A1600C9) £35.99
Total : £155.57 (includes shipping : £8.00).



With cheap memory:

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Pentium K Anniversary G3258 Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £59.99
1 x **B Grade** Gigabyte Z97P-D3 Intel Z97 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX (MB-498-GI) £49.99
1 x TeamGroup Elite 4GB (1x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Single Channel Module (TED34GM1600C1101) £25.99
Total : £145.57 (includes shipping : £8.00).



I haven't suggested a cooler, as all the ones I would are out of stock at the moment. Someone else might be able to suggest a cheaper board and a cooler.
Very helpful thanks. Can you give any recommendation on older generation quad cores such as the Q6600 instead of buying new stuff, to keep costs down?
 
Jesus. Z97 motherboards! Whats next? GTX Titan X and custom Watercooled loops as the only solution for the megabeast G3258?

Google the G3258, you will see people overclocking on that stock cooler with £30 odd quid motherboards, the biggest issue is getting an H81 motherboard with an up to date bios.

It's currently the CPU of choice for super budget gaming rigs that will play just about any game at max settings on a single 1080p monitor.

For the OP, the Socket 939 is not worth upgrading, the Q6600 can be bought for around £30 to £50 second hand and is LGA775 and would probably be best with a P45 motherboard, a good P45 costs as much second hand as a cheap Z97 these days. You would also need DDR2 and 4gb to 8gb of DDR2 second hand costs as much as 4gb of DDR3.

You can get 4gb of DDR3 1600Mhz for £36. But £8 more gets you 8gb. There are B grade motherboards too, you could always drop Overclockers a Webnote and ask about the bios revision, and see if it is correct for the G3258. Or just buy a CPU that is supported and upgrade to the G3258 later.

http://www.asus.com/uk/Motherboards/H81MPLUS/HelpDesk_CPU/

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Pentium K Anniversary G3258 Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £59.99
1 x TeamGroup Elite Black 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (TPKD38G1600HC11DC01) £43.99
1 x **B Grade** Asus H81M-PLUS Intel H81 (Socket 1150) DDR3 Micro ATX (MB-582-AS) £24.98
Total : £138.56 (includes shipping : £8.00).



The big issue is the rest of your system, 2005 roughly? PSU could do with being upgraded, as could a new cooler case with dust filtering. And of course the GPU.
 
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For the OP, the Socket 939 is not worth upgrading, the Q6600 can be bought for around £30 to £50 second hand and is LGA775 and would probably be best with a P45 motherboard, a good P45 costs as much second hand as a cheap Z97 these days. You would also need DDR2 and 4gb to 8gb of DDR2 second hand costs as much as 4gb of DDR3.

You can get 4gb of DDR3 1600Mhz for £36. But £8 more gets you 8gb. There are B grade motherboards too, you could always drop Overclockers a Webnote and ask about the bios revision, and see if it is correct for the G3258. Or just buy a CPU that is supported and upgrade to the G3258 later.

http://www.asus.com/uk/Motherboards/H81MPLUS/HelpDesk_CPU/

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Pentium K Anniversary G3258 Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £59.99
1 x TeamGroup Elite Black 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (TPKD38G1600HC11DC01) £43.99
1 x **B Grade** Asus H81M-PLUS Intel H81 (Socket 1150) DDR3 Micro ATX (MB-582-AS) £24.98
Total : £138.56 (includes shipping : £8.00).



The big issue is the rest of your system, 2005 roughly? PSU could do with being upgraded, as could a new cooler case with dust filtering. And of course the GPU.
Thanks for your input. Good guess on the system it was built around 2004/2005. The PSU is the third it's had and I bought it new and installed it in 2011, it hasn't had much use though, would you still recommend a replacement?
What's the deal with the BIOs revisions, how come they don't come with G3258 compatibility?
I'm not thinking about cases at the moment but I'll be looking to upgrade the GPU later down the line.
 
Jesus. Z97 motherboards! Whats next? GTX Titan X and custom Watercooled loops as the only solution for the megabeast G3258?

Google the G3258, you will see people overclocking on that stock cooler with £30 odd quid motherboards, the biggest issue is getting an H81 motherboard with an up to date bios.

It's currently the CPU of choice for super budget gaming rigs that will play just about any game at max settings on a single 1080p monitor.

For the OP, the Socket 939 is not worth upgrading, the Q6600 can be bought for around £30 to £50 second hand and is LGA775 and would probably be best with a P45 motherboard, a good P45 costs as much second hand as a cheap Z97 these days. You would also need DDR2 and 4gb to 8gb of DDR2 second hand costs as much as 4gb of DDR3.

You can get 4gb of DDR3 1600Mhz for £36. But £8 more gets you 8gb. There are B grade motherboards too, you could always drop Overclockers a Webnote and ask about the bios revision, and see if it is correct for the G3258. Or just buy a CPU that is supported and upgrade to the G3258 later.

http://www.asus.com/uk/Motherboards/H81MPLUS/HelpDesk_CPU/

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Pentium K Anniversary G3258 Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £59.99
1 x TeamGroup Elite Black 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (TPKD38G1600HC11DC01) £43.99
1 x **B Grade** Asus H81M-PLUS Intel H81 (Socket 1150) DDR3 Micro ATX (MB-582-AS) £24.98
Total : £138.56 (includes shipping : £8.00).



The big issue is the rest of your system, 2005 roughly? PSU could do with being upgraded, as could a new cooler case with dust filtering. And of course the GPU.

It says at the bottom of the post that someone might be able to suggest a better board. No need to start ranting.
The Z97 is a much better choice though, as it gives him a whole host of possible upgrade routes for the future, rather than just buying the cheapest he can lay his hands on.
I'll refrain from making a facetious comment about your opinion though, as I don't need to get kicks from trying to belittle peoples suggestions on a website ;).

Edit: I just realised, the components you recommend only came to £7.01 less. In this case, the loss of features is more than the money he would be saving...
 
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This forum is a lot more helpful than Toms Hardware anyway, I had 2 replies to this same question. One was a rant at how dreadful my rig is and one was fairly informative but didn't narrow anything down for me.

In regards to the last post, I'd probably opt for a full ATX board anyway as the GPU takes two slots and I use a PCI-E WiFi card.
 
This forum is a lot more helpful than Toms Hardware anyway, I had 2 replies to this same question. One was a rant at how dreadful my rig is and one was fairly informative but didn't narrow anything down for me.

In regards to the last post, I'd probably opt for a full ATX board anyway as the GPU takes two slots and I use a PCI-E WiFi card.

In my honest opinion you would be better off with the Z97 board, as it will last a lot longer due to the amount of upgrade possibilities.
For example, it supports crossfire. You could buy a cheap AMD GPU now and then down the line when you think the system is getting a little slow, you could chuck in another one to get your edge back.
 
those PC specs reminded me of my old system.

I had the same processor but as the 6000+ @ 3ghz.

someone at work offered me a I7 950, 6GB of ram and a mobo for £150 so brought that, my FPS doubled in games! lol

what do you plan on using the PC for, gaming or just general PC use?

do you have a budget or anything in mind?
 
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These are both good coolers for the price:
YOUR BASKET
1 x Raijintek Themis Direct Contact CPU Cooler £19.99
1 x Raijintek Aidos Direct Contact CPU Cooler - Black £14.99
Total : £45.48 (includes shipping : £8.75).




And as for motherboard I'd also say the Z97 path is a good idea as it leaves options open to upgrade in the future. The B-Grade Gigabyte specced above would be my choice or buy it new for £20 more :) But I know on a budget those £20 can make a big difference.
 
If the PSU was bought in 2011, and has enough PCI-E cables etc, it should be ok.

The reason the BIOS needs updated is that some of the CPU's are released after the BIOS revision on a specific motherboard.

My apologies regarding any confusion and disruption with may last post, I saw you had a limited budget, and were not intent on playing Crysis 3 at 4k resolution so pointed out some low cost alternatives that would offer an upgrade over what you have.
I really see NO point in 4gb of memory with anything from Windows 7 upward, I have a few old systems here, and often see 4gb as detrimental. I am on 4.76gb right now doing very little, often over 6gb in use, so spending £44 for 8gb makes more sense than £36 for 4gb, as it works out at £8 for a 4gb upgrade.

The H81 at £25 is a big saving even over a B grade Z97. If your limited now, you not going to be buying an i5 for £200 any time soon, nor running Crosfire or SLI. By the time you are intent on such, better motherboards will be available for less anyway. As will better GPU's.
Don't get me wrong, the Z97 motherboards are usually better, but not worth skimping with memory for.

Take a look at the reviews of the G3258, and what some people are doing with it in H81 motherboards and Z97 motherboards, consider that many of the Z97 systems are also in better cases and using better hardware and coolers, then consider the quoted overclock figures and GPU's used.

Most of the Z97 features simply offer little to entice many budget gamers and PC builders. A few frames on some games. Oh wow 0.3 more overclock! 9fps higher average on Sims! Oh great, I could run an i7 K series!

The fact is the H81 socket 1150 motherboards are great for the money, and offer little loss financially if something better comes up down the line. Neither does a G3258, or even a cheaper Pentium if your not overclocking.
You can add 8gb of memory and it will be of benefit straight away, but a Z97 could sit there until some new tech replaces it and may never see those upgrades you think of.

If you can afford a Pentium or better CPU and 8gb of memory, and a Z97 motherboard thats great.

I showed you 8gb of memory that is £8 more than the £36 4gb kit elsewhere.

I showed you an H81 motherboard that is £25 less than the Z97 elsewhere.

Ergo it costs less but offers more where it is needed.

If you do have more money, I would recommend the following motherboard and memory if you do intend on an i5 and two GPU's in future, though bear in mind two GPU's will need reasonable case cooling/airflow, and usually a 750w plus PSU.

YOUR BASKET
1 x Gigabyte Z97X-SLI Intel Z97 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £89.99
1 x Kingston HyperX Savage Red 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-19200C11 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit (HX324C11SRK2/8) £46.99
Total : £146.58 (includes shipping : £8.00).



Though if your using a G3258, I doubt you will see a huge difference over the H81 motherboard and Teamgroup memory I specced earlier.

It says at the bottom of the post that someone might be able to suggest a better board. No need to start ranting.
The Z97 is a much better choice though, as it gives him a whole host of possible upgrade routes for the future, rather than just buying the cheapest he can lay his hands on.
I'll refrain from making a facetious comment about your opinion though, as I don't need to get kicks from trying to belittle peoples suggestions on a website ;).

Edit: I just realised, the components you recommend only came to £7.01 less. In this case, the loss of features is more than the money he would be saving...

I was showing him alternative budget and sorry, take a closer look, 8gb of memory instead of 4gb.

You STATE "If you want to go the K series route you will need a decent motherboard, CPU cooler and case cooling" which to me looks more like someone ranting or rambling, so no need to make a facetious remark hidden within a sarcastic factually incorrect reply ;)

The FACT is that a cheap motherboard and ram with the stock cooler is a capable set up that can be overclocked, as many budgeting builders threads on various google searches confirms.

The Z97 is not going to last any longer than the H81, it is just going to allow possible future upgrades that will cost more money and slightly better overclocking, which will equate to a few FPS more in some games and slight improvements in benchmark figures. That is also assuming the OP wants to keep a budget Z97 board when we may have newer editions comming with Broadwell, and Skylake is not far behind.

Chucking in another cheap GPU down the line? Well not all scale well or give much benefit, some usually require a beefier PSU. Not all games benefit, sometimes there are glitches and driver problems. I would rather save for whatever single GPU card was best for the budget at that future date.
 
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