Jeremy Clarkson suspended from BBC

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It's his co hosts I feel sorry for to be honest. In reality it may not make much difference but clarkson has put their future earnings in jeopardy.

However get ready for a new car show to hit sky one in the winter
 
I think JC pulled a Christian Bale, any smart firm would handle him and transfer the producer

This is what normally happens, more often than people expect..why do people thinkl Oisin was so worried about his job. A job I suspect he will no longer have anyway and if he had made peace with JC he would have.

I don't think anyone in this has showered themselves in glory...except for James May, who is a legend.
 
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I fail to see how the producer is blameless, a steak and chips after a hard day of filming isn't too much to ask is it? you have to be a complete moron not to be able to get hot food ready, if you were in a tight spot you could have ordered take out! But to offer cold meat, which that 'thick as ****' face looking at me, i have no option to but to think i was looking at the stupidest idiot ever.

Yup spot on. These TV stars are quite often primadonnas and not very nice people when the camera is off, it's a producers job to manage them, keep them happy and get the filming done. It's fair to say this producer failed at that.
 
If they have sense they will stick together and get a new show going on another channel.... will still be top gear just under a different name and people WILL watch it.

Lets face it we like watching the 3 of em together, the cars and other parts are incidental.
 
I do not really 'understand' the 'PC behaviour' thing, I mean it is basically 'not acting like an offensive piece of ****' and stopping people doing that is a good thing no?

I, as I'm sure you and everyone else that has either worked in public sector or even private companies has had to do a module or two, or read the diversity training guidelines, and other HR related things on how to behave at work. 99% of the time people just behave the way they want to after gauging what their colleagues are like and regulate the humour/behaviour accordingly. There would be no life or soul in a work place, and no vibrancy, creativity or anything remotely enjoyable about a work place if everyone stuck to the rules in black and white.

I'm not saying this means you should rebel and act like an offensive yob to people around you - but use a little common sense. If I said an offensive joke, which I have done in the past, my colleagues would say (in private) "I think you went a little OTT there" - and I'd accept it and apologise and crack on.

People are so keen on trying to be PC that they forget to be themselves and just get on with their lives/work. That doesn't mean that I expect people to overtly show their prejudices or be purposefully offensive just to stick 2 fingers up to the rules, but there has to be a bit of a buffer/envelope around which people can test the boundaries without being typecast as sexist, or racist or whatever-ist.

Heck, I read an article that me opening doors for women, and offering to carry a bag for a woman and what one would normally call "Chivalry" is now called "Benevolent Sexism". **** off. It's called being well brought up, being a gentleman and doing the right thing (and the fact I'm reasonably strong ;)). However apparently this benevolent sexism "perpetuates support for gender inequality among women". What a load of horse****.

I think it is just called good manners?

Anyway, I have a bit of a bone to pick with all this excessive PC crap that is overly leaned upon as a framework for a happy society - these utopian views just do not work.

I'm all for equality and equal rights - I make no secret of that, I hate unfair treatment, but at the same time I enjoy being human and not an automaton / robot-like creature.

Also; I've been on the radio pretty recently and had to be briefed about the Ofcom regulations, which are an absolute minefield.

That must have been a mind-numbingly awful thing to have done. I can imagine you were pretty much told you weren't allowed to say anything! How dare you have an opinion! :p
 
there was clearly a clash of personalities and from what I've read it has been brewing for a while and they did not get on with one another. Why not try and sort it out more pro actively rather that keep winding up someone like JC?

Source?

What relevance does this have? I'm unsure as to how Tymon is to blame for what happened regardless of if they did not see eye to eye.

They're both mature people.


Are you another PC activist that takes offence on behalf of others? It's just an expression - like "hit like a girl". i.e. diminutive, not tough. Does this mean I regard girls as weaker and inferior to me? Of course not, it's just an expression. Heck I know many tough women who make me look like a wimp - yet they'd be the first to use those sort of expressions.

Just because something is 'just an expression' does not mean it's not offensive.

The nursery rhyme is a prime example 'it's just a nursery rhyme', well yeh, but it's still offensive. I would explain but I'm not as boring as my professor of English (whom frequently goes on these rants) but suffice to say there are things that are 'just XXX' but can still be offensive.

I'm not a 'PC activist' at all.

And from what I've heard there was some provocation and there's been a long standing disagreement between them two. The BBC should have given them another producer to avoid this thing from even happening. I'm not saying it excuses hitting someone - it doesn't - however I'm sure we've all been in a situation where our neanderthal instincts take over at one point. I know when I've done door work in the past, no matter how sober and patient you are, you can and do lose your rag.

If you take the catalyst away there won't be any problem.

Well then why say it in the first place? If it's not excuse for hitting someone do not bring it in to the conversation. They are both mature people, I do not see eye to eye with many people but I do not use any excuse to punch them (as much as I would like to).

It's a 2-way offer ;)

I wouldn't want it any other way, makes it boring :p. Although I hit hard :D.


TG will cease to exist in its current guise, and I hope the 3 go to another channel as they work brilliantly together.

Nah, plenty of shows have changed presenters, however it is about the success of the show post change of presenters. People always attribute the success of a show to the presenters, but it's rarely the sole case, the writing, production and format all work in tangent. This is how people tell if that show has any merit or if it relied too much on the presenters. Either way, will not tell until the refresh (I presume) has happened and is given a bit of time.

Clarkson, May and Hammond will not be short of a job offer especially given Clarkson's friends at Sky.
 
Most successful show in history, over 200 countries watch it, and pay the BBC to show it.

This is going to hurt, they may have to go commercial now.
 
Yup spot on. These TV stars are quite often primadonnas and not very nice people when the camera is off, it's a producers job to manage them, keep them happy and get the filming done. It's fair to say this producer failed at that.

If you think TV personalities are right up themselves, you should try working or even just being around anyone in the music industry.
 
I fail to see how the producer is blameless, a steak and chips after a hard day of filming isn't too much to ask is it? you have to be a complete moron not to be able to get hot food ready, if you were in a tight spot you could have ordered take out! But to offer cold meat, which that 'thick as ****' face looking at me, i have no option to but to think i was looking at the stupidest idiot ever.

So you're telling me that just because he did something wrong or not up to standard he deserves physical and verbal abuse? Sorry but that's just bull, nobody deserves that kind of treatment just for a stupid mistake such as providing a cold meal instead of a hot meal.

If you had that kind of reaction in any job you'd probably be fired and just because he's a celebrity and people enjoy watching him and his programme doesn't mean he should be treated any differently or he should be allowed to treat others in such an abusive manner.
 
I, as I'm sure you and everyone else that has either worked in public sector or even private companies has had to do a module or two, or read the diversity training guidelines, and other HR related things on how to behave at work. 99% of the time people just behave the way they want to after gauging what their colleagues are like and regulate the humour/behaviour accordingly. There would be no life or soul in a work place, and no vibrancy, creativity or anything remotely enjoyable about a work place if everyone stuck to the rules in black and white.

I'm not saying this means you should rebel and act like an offensive yob to people around you - but use a little common sense. If I said an offensive joke, which I have done in the past, my colleagues would say (in private) "I think you went a little OTT there" - and I'd accept it and apologise and crack on.

People are so keen on trying to be PC that they forget to be themselves and just get on with their lives/work. That doesn't mean that I expect people to overtly show their prejudices or be purposefully offensive just to stick 2 fingers up to the rules, but there has to be a bit of a buffer/envelope around which people can test the boundaries without being typecast as sexist, or racist or whatever-ist.

Heck, I read an article that me opening doors for women, and offering to carry a bag for a woman and what one would normally call "Chivalry" is now called "Benevolent Sexism". **** off. It's called being well brought up, being a gentleman and doing the right thing (and the fact I'm reasonably strong ;)). However apparently this benevolent sexism "perpetuates support for gender inequality among women". What a load of horse****.

I think it is just called good manners?

Anyway, I have a bit of a bone to pick with all this excessive PC crap that is overly leaned upon as a framework for a happy society - these utopian views just do not work.

I'm all for equality and equal rights - I make no secret of that, I hate unfair treatment, but at the same time I enjoy being human and not an automaton / robot-like creature.



That must have been a mind-numbingly awful thing to have done. I can imagine you were pretty much told you weren't allowed to say anything! How dare you have an opinion! :p

This. All of this.
 
I, as I'm sure you and everyone else that has either worked in public sector or even private companies has had to do a module or two, or read the diversity training guidelines, and other HR related things on how to behave at work. 99% of the time people just behave the way they want to after gauging what their colleagues are like and regulate the humour/behaviour accordingly. There would be no life or soul in a work place, and no vibrancy, creativity or anything remotely enjoyable about a work place if everyone stuck to the rules in black and white.

I'm not saying this means you should rebel and act like an offensive yob to people around you - but use a little common sense. If I said an offensive joke, which I have done in the past, my colleagues would say (in private) "I think you went a little OTT there" - and I'd accept it and apologise and crack on.

People are so keen on trying to be PC that they forget to be themselves and just get on with their lives/work. That doesn't mean that I expect people to overtly show their prejudices or be purposefully offensive just to stick 2 fingers up to the rules, but there has to be a bit of a buffer/envelope around which people can test the boundaries without being typecast as sexist, or racist or whatever-ist.

Heck, I read an article that me opening doors for women, and offering to carry a bag for a woman and what one would normally call "Chivalry" is now called "Benevolent Sexism". **** off. It's called being well brought up, being a gentleman and doing the right thing (and the fact I'm reasonably strong ;)). However apparently this benevolent sexism "perpetuates support for gender inequality among women". What a load of horse****.

I think it is just called good manners?

Anyway, I have a bit of a bone to pick with all this excessive PC crap that is overly leaned upon as a framework for a happy society - these utopian views just do not work.

If you have to think about something being offensive, just do not say it in public, save it for when you're with friends or with people you feel comfortable speaking candidly and honestly with.

I seriously do not think it's 'political correctness gone mad', that's the sort of thing old, white, right wing conservatives say in the pub of an evening. Just not being a total **** is not being politically correct, it's just being a decent person, imho.

I'm a student, I hate people talk about Chivalry (I read a bit about it, not out of choice), you know it tells you how to appropriately head butt a woman? It's a total cultural mythology surrounding it.

That must have been a mind-numbingly awful thing to have done. I can imagine you were pretty much told you weren't allowed to say anything! How dare you have an opinion! :p

Given it was a bout a controversial topic, it was just difficult to articulate a fair argument given that talking about things openly can be 'promoting it'. It was not awful, but just limited because everything I said out loud I had to really think about.
 
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