Jeremy Clarkson suspended from BBC
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Why is it that disputes between individuals needs a policing comity?
I think the asylum has taken over.
"The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average Voter"
-Winston Churchill.
Not entirely correct, it was here before him (May joined in season 2) but new Top Gear was and is the brainchild of Clarkson, it was his format, his ideas, his work. Without him they are either going to be making a second rate rip off, or bringing back old Top Gear (which got cancelled as nobody watched it as it was dull).
Top Gear is just the best example of how you make a show about cars interesting to people whom aren't interested in cars, you make it not really about cars.
I, as I'm sure you and everyone else that has either worked in public sector or even private companies has had to do a module or two, or read the diversity training guidelines, and other HR related things on how to behave at work. 99% of the time people just behave the way they want to after gauging what their colleagues are like and regulate the humour/behaviour accordingly. There would be no life or soul in a work place, and no vibrancy, creativity or anything remotely enjoyable about a work place if everyone stuck to the rules in black and white.
I'm not saying this means you should rebel and act like an offensive yob to people around you - but use a little common sense. If I said an offensive joke, which I have done in the past, my colleagues would say (in private) "I think you went a little OTT there" - and I'd accept it and apologise and crack on.
People are so keen on trying to be PC that they forget to be themselves and just get on with their lives/work. That doesn't mean that I expect people to overtly show their prejudices or be purposefully offensive just to stick 2 fingers up to the rules, but there has to be a bit of a buffer/envelope around which people can test the boundaries without being typecast as sexist, or racist or whatever-ist.
Heck, I read an article that me opening doors for women, and offering to carry a bag for a woman and what one would normally call "Chivalry" is now called "Benevolent Sexism". **** off. It's called being well brought up, being a gentleman and doing the right thing (and the fact I'm reasonably strong). However apparently this benevolent sexism "perpetuates support for gender inequality among women". What a load of horse****.
I think it is just called good manners?
Anyway, I have a bit of a bone to pick with all this excessive PC crap that is overly leaned upon as a framework for a happy society - these utopian views just do not work.
I'm all for equality and equal rights - I make no secret of that, I hate unfair treatment, but at the same time I enjoy being human and not an automaton / robot-like creature.
That must have been a mind-numbingly awful thing to have done. I can imagine you were pretty much told you weren't allowed to say anything! How dare you have an opinion!
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Well there we go. They are all off. Now who's going to sign them up.
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Brilliant, brilliant news.
Thankfully the BBC stuck by their procedures and sacked him. Now all we can hope for is that the police will carry out their duty and arrest him for the unprovoked assault.
If it was you, it would happen but I get the feeling that that is as far as it will go and he will get off with it.
Thankfully the BBC stuck by their procedures and sacked him. Now all we can hope for is that the police will carry out their duty and arrest him for the unprovoked assault.
If it was you, it would happen but I get the feeling that that is as far as it will go and he will get off with it.
physical abuse? Never. verbal abuse is part and parcel of working in the media full of divas and is to be expected. I've had full on shouting matches with peers and superiors when i think they're being idiots, but never have i been pulled over by HR over it. (To be fair when you do IT for a trading floor you better have a thick hide)
It wasn't a mistake, it was a vital part of his role and not to arrange of hot food must have been deliberate to get a reaction
Correct, then it got cancelled because nobody watched it as reviews of the Nissan Sunny weren't interesting, and Clarkson (the only cool thing about it) had left.
Then Clarkson convinced the BBC to let him host a new show based on his own car shows but featuring the TG name.
Not on Top Gear though. That boat has now sailed for the 3 of them.
Coincidently, I was listening to Radio 2 on Monday and they had Jonathan Ross on covering the Steve Wright show.
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Of course, but work colleagues / friends and other people can always over hear things which were not meant for them to hear. People will choose to be offended, sometimes on behalf of others - which is even worse.
There are ways to behave in public, but then there are people who also stick their nose in other people's business which is not helpful.
I think we're in agreement and talking at cross purposes here, most people know how to behave in front of others (those with a modicum of social skills at any rate). However, if someone slips up, they shouldn't be demonised for it or people shouldn't be out for blood just because of an innocent mistake.
Even for the nursery rhyme - as I said, even I was taught it as a child (a long time ago) it was a generational thing, and it was just a rhyme that existed - of course it is wrong to continue it, but when it's embedded into you, like tying a shoelace it is hard to unlearn. Does it make him racist for doing it? No of course not - it makes him a bit daft not to be more careful about what he is saying in front of the camera, but then again it could have been handled/edited better, and you know what? He stopped himself from saying it. In fact the majority of the black population responded that they saw no offence in the comment and it was out of context anyway.
My parents generation talk about "coloured" people - they didn't know any better until they're told they can't say it any more. There are a plethora of terms and things that have changed so much and so quickly over the past generation that people will slip up and this is important WITH NO INTENT to offend. Heck, even the Golliwog symbol on Roberstons jam was a big fracas (
) over nothing.I suggest that if you find that sort of stuff unacceptable you never go to a comedy show! Comedians are not decent people by your definition!!
Yes and everyone knows what people mean by chivalry - being a gentleman. Not your dictionary definition.
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Can we at least establish the fact you're French?
This wasn't really a shouting match though was it? It was physical until a bystander intervened and then it was just verbal abuse from one side with no reply from the other.
This went way above a shouting match or a telling off and sorry I don't see where you're getting the information that it must have been deliberate just to get a reaction. There's absolutely no mention of this nor any proof to back this up.
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