Poll: POLL: Do you agree with Jeremy Clarkson's Sacking?

Do you agree with Jeremy Clarkson's sacking?

  • Yes

    Votes: 778 70.1%

  • No

    Votes: 332 29.9%
  • Total voters
    1,110
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My point was that I think it was handled badly. Not that it is acceptable to hit people at work, and was curious as to how others handled such things at work. :)

Clearly JC should have bitten him instead, as that's how you become a Director at the BBC ;) :p
 
Freefaller said:
I agree with your latter point - however, let us just say something/someone snapped and you either received or issued a punch, the other person involved was happy to dust themselves off and go for a pint afterwards to "get over it" - would you accept that or would you want either the aggressor or victim to go through disciplinary procedures?

No one should have to receive physical or verbal violence at work or be subject to it at all, so I'm not condoning it at all. However, it can happen for whatever reasons. It's happened to me but I was being a **** as was the other person, and it all came to a head - he had a bit of a dust up, but then everything was "over" and we went back to our lives and actually ended up working better together in the future. I'm not saying this is the right thing to do or should be acceptable, but neither of us would have ever thought to have taken it to our superiors.

When you had your fight what did you do afterwards? Hope you were not badly injured :(
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In my fight it was outside a club and just some guy trying to act hard in front of his mates but at that time I was boxing for about 14 years(not professionally just training) so I could look after myself and unknown to him and his mates the group behind me trying to get in to the club were all my mates.
It didn't end well for them but it's something I really regret.

I think in the hypothetical situation you described it would depend on a variety of factors, was it in front of clients, was it in front of other staff, were there other circumstances behind it? I'm not sure what my answer would be to be honest as I can kinda see where you're coming from but as I'm in a senior position if it was one of my staff I'd conduct a proper investigation and throw the book at them and if it was just a contractor I'd terminate the contract.

I do see what you're saying and I would like to think a quick pint would make it all better but from a professional point of view I know that would never be the case where I work.

I'm pretty sure I've contradicted myself in there somewhere lol.
 
Well consider what the situation would be like at the BBC if they didn't sack him?

It would give every manager carte blanch to strike, abuse their subordinates with complete immunity.

If a junior manager was punished for striking someone he could claim he was being treated differently from everyone else.

JC knew the rules. He broke them and deserved to be shot, sorry I mean sacked. :-)
 
Jesus H Christ. I know we live in a world where completely irrelevant news often supersedes 'real' news but how in God's name have there been nearly 2,500 posts about him in the other thread? If I assaulted a colleague, I would expect a sacking to follow. Simple as that and this on top of his other infractions.

Sky will probably snap him up anyway.
 
ICEx21 said:
In my fight it was outside a club and just some guy trying to act hard in front of his mates but at that time I was boxing for about 14 years(not professionally just training) so I could look after myself and unknown to him and his mates the group behind me trying to get in to the club were all my mates.
It didn't end well for them but it's something I really regret.

I think in the hypothetical situation you described it would depend on a variety of factors, was it in front of clients, was it in front of other staff, were there other circumstances behind it? I'm not sure what my answer would be to be honest as I can kinda see where you're coming from but as I'm in a senior position if it was one of my staff I'd conduct a proper investigation and throw the book at them and if it was just a contractor I'd terminate the contract.

I do see what you're saying and I would like to think a quick pint would make it all better but from a professional point of view I know that would never be the case where I work.

I'm pretty sure I've contradicted myself in there somewhere lol.
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My scuffle was in the car park :p (Nothing to do with cars or parking) we had had a disagreement and we just kept baiting each other - I should have walked away but I was wound up and so was he. A couple of bruises and small cut later we realised how pathetic we were but at the same time we realised we were both wrong and the "fight" actually released that tension - we both hit like girls (we were both rugby players) - so it wasn't too bad. We shrugged it off, and just kept away from one another and in time things got better as we had taken the aggression out of the situation.

I think we just handled it in the way we thought would be best - in time the senior management team caught wind of what had happened but didn't say anything as by the time they had heard of it we were over it, and things were okay and we were working fine, and doing our jobs well.

Had it been more public then I guess things could have been worse - I'd have liked to have thought that we would have been told off, told to shake hands and be done with it. That was 10 years ago - now... I guess we'd have both been fired :/
 
Freefaller said:
Clearly JC should have bitten him instead, as that's how you become a Director at the BBC ;) :p
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Lucky it wasn't in America as JC would have blown him away with a Magnum, then we would have had a televised car chase and finally followed by a Top Knob televised trial in which he would have been acquitted. :p

Goes off to ring a movie producer...
 
There shouldn't even be a discussion about this. He assaulted another person...all you get out of his mouth is racist diatribe.. He should be in a police cell pending various investigations.
 
Crpwned said:
So far 68 people think it's ok to assault a work colleague and still expect to have a job at the end of it?
Dat forum logic.
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I don't think anyone agrees with the assault, they disagree with how it has been handled - at least that's why I'm guessing from the responses people have made.
 
Freefaller said:
I don't think anyone agrees with the assault, they disagree with how it has been handled - at least that's why I'm guessing from the responses people have made.
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I guess, the question in the poll is a bit vague, I just interpreted it as "Do you agree he should have been 'sacked' for punching a colleague"

As for the handling of it I feel they haven't done a bad job with it, obviously you're going to have a media circus all around it whichever way it was going to end, but that is inevitable.
 
Crpwned said:
As for the handling of it I feel they haven't done a bad job with it...
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Quite. It all seems to have been dealt with quickly, efficiently and with the only outcome possible. I voted Yes as his actions leave no other option.

The program was largely trash, but it was enjoyable trash, that I will be sorry to see go; I can't see any reboot working well, but you never know.
 
OhEsEcks said:
Yes. He assaulted someone. He threw a bitch fit over not getting a hot meal and assaulted someone. Let that sink in for a few before the same lot who defended him in the other thread chime in. Had it been anyone else, they'd be singing a different tune.
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This pretty much sums up my opinion on the matter.
 
Freefaller said:
I don't think anyone agrees with the assault, they disagree with how it has been handled - at least that's why I'm guessing from the responses people have made.
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These days I don't think it could have been handled any differently tbh, the whole Saville controversy has got the Beeb terrified of being seen to cover up bad behaviour nowadays, if JC hadn't of laid hands on the producer he would've been ok, but the fact it was so public, & hot on the heels of the ongoing Saville revelations, sealed his fate.
 
Yup I don't disagree - but it is the whole BBC management inconsistencies that I find laughable, and the build up to this could have been avoided with some proactive management, but there was none. That doesn't mitigate blame from JC but I just don't think it would have come to this if handled better.
 
Freefaller said:
Yup I don't disagree - but it is the whole BBC management inconsistencies that I find laughable, and the build up to this could have been avoided with some proactive management, but there was none. That doesn't mitigate blame from JC but I just don't think it would have come to this if handled better.
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I expect this got handled just how Danny Cohen decided it would be, publicly and backing The DG into a corner...it isn't the first time he's tried to get JC out of the Beeb.
 
There's been a clash between them for years. So why would he step in proactively to keep JC and the production team from falling out? He probably fuelled the fire...
 
Freefaller said:
There's been a clash between them for years. So why would he step in proactively to keep JC and the production team from falling out? He probably fuelled the fire...
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Indeed. Which is why I think Yentob has started building bridges already...and that Cohen will be buried in the concrete when it's time to pour...
 
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