Airbus A320 Crashes in Alps

Minstadave · 26 Mar 2015 at 18:33

Doesn't stop the pilot walloping the hostess. It's unlikely that your average skinny air hostess is going to put up much resistance. If you're determined enough to stick a plane full of people into a mountain is an air hostess going to stop you?

MooMoo444 · 26 Mar 2015 at 18:35

Minstadave said:
Doesn't stop the pilot walloping the hostess. It's unlikely that your average skinny air hostess is going to put up much resistance. If you're determined enough to stick a plane full of people into a mountain is an air hostess going to stop you?

If someone wanted to crash a plane that badly, then you can't really stop them - but you can offer a deterrent.

dannyjo22 · 26 Mar 2015 at 18:36

scorza said:
Sensible move - I presume this means cabin crew will have to take the place of a pilot who needs a comfort break (i.e. go to the bog).

LOL

As I said earlier if he was that intent on murdering everyone he could go at the hostie with the crash axe or fire extinguisher and still reject entry. Lovely bit of PR work though top stuff.

The only way really is to add another pilot but no one wants to pay for the ones we have let alone more.

Jokester · 26 Mar 2015 at 18:36

Have to say, might be better to completely do away with the door altogether. Passengers are pretty clued up these days to tackle hijackers, especially if they can't get weapons on board. Safety in numbers and all that.

FutileBreadMachine · 26 Mar 2015 at 18:39

Jokester said:
Have to say, might be better to completely do away with the door altogether. Passengers are pretty clued up these days to tackle hijackers, especially if they can't get weapons on board. Safety in numbers and all that.

This is what I thought too. Anyone steps over the red line towards the pilots and everyone jumps him!

scorza · 26 Mar 2015 at 19:02

dannyjo22 said:
LOL

As I said earlier if he was that intent on murdering everyone he could go at the hostie with the crash axe or fire extinguisher and still reject entry. Lovely bit of PR work though top stuff.

The only way really is to add another pilot but no one wants to pay for the ones we have let alone more.

That's what I meant - sensible move from a PR perspective. Sadly if someone wants to take control of a plane they'll always find a way.

JoeF1 · 26 Mar 2015 at 19:04

Genuine question guys, why the controlled descent? If he was going to do it why program it in? Why not just take control his self. He was apparently calm and breathing normally. What are you thinking, eyes shut and praying? or something.

William-Mathew · 26 Mar 2015 at 19:10

Jokester said:
Have to say, might be better to completely do away with the door altogether. Passengers are pretty clued up these days to tackle hijackers, especially if they can't get weapons on board. Safety in numbers and all that.

It only takes a split second for a hijacker to get at the controls and put the plane out of control. A pilot would have a hard time getting control back while having a fight with a hijacker

Roar87 · 26 Mar 2015 at 19:13

William-Mathew said:
It only takes a split second for a hijacker to get at the controls and put the plane out of control. A pilot would have a hard time getting control back while having a fight with a hijacker

Not really, commercial airliners are fitted with Flight Envelope Protection which stops the pilot putting the plane into an dive or a steep climb or something which would stall the engines or make it crash

[TW]Fox · 26 Mar 2015 at 19:25

Macky said:
Billons or not it still seems like the next step forward in commercial aviation.

I'm not so sure it is. People seem to be thinking this is not an ultra rare event. It is the first time in living memory that a pilot of a European airline has ever done this, is it not?

Whereas there were numerous examples of hijacks over the years.

DJMK4 · 26 Mar 2015 at 19:30

[TW]Fox;27831505 said:
I'm not so sure it is. People seem to be thinking this is not an ultra rare event. It is the first time in living memory that a pilot of a European airline has ever done this, is it not?

Whereas there were numerous examples of hijacks over the years.

Location is irrelivant, maybe we were just more lucky than the rest of some of the continents who has had it happen. Extremely rare. But still, it should be addressed

Skiddley · 26 Mar 2015 at 19:32

What no passenger intervention? Surely someone could kick the door in, in a few mins?

gettothechopper · 26 Mar 2015 at 19:33

Skiddley said:
What no passenger intervention? Surely someone could kick the door in, in a few mins?

not since about oooh 11/9/2001,

reinforced doors innit

VoG · 26 Mar 2015 at 19:34

JoeF1 said:
Genuine question guys, why the controlled descent? If he was going to do it why program it in? Why not just take control his self. He was apparently calm and breathing normally. What are you thinking, eyes shut and praying? or something.

Probably the "something", maybe it could be the only way he could do it was to programme the plane to fly itself into the ground, that way he could perhaps rationalise it to himself that as his hands weren't on the controls he wasn't "guilty" of committing suicide by plane, killing all his passengers in the process.

Django x2 · 26 Mar 2015 at 19:36

Minstadave said:
Different scenario though isn't it. We wouldn't scramble jets immediately for a commercial flight misbehaving.

The benefit of having a fighter sent up is they will visually inspect the cockpit and see whats going on.

Yes we would, and have done so. A Russian passenger jet on the East Coast within the last year.

mrk · 26 Mar 2015 at 19:36

JoeF1 said:
Genuine question guys, why the controlled descent? If he was going to do it why program it in? Why not just take control his self. He was apparently calm and breathing normally. What are you thinking, eyes shut and praying? or something.

Assuming it was indeed deliberate and he wanted to destroy the plane/himself and the passengers were mere collateral then in his mind he'd rather not hear the screams of hundreds of people for all of those long minutes during descent. As it turns out, he lowered the plane at a rate that wasn't obvious to passengers until it was too late.

On the French/German interviews they were saying they hoped that this would kick off a new change in airline safety and perhaps add drone-like remote administration of those cockpit controls to avoid a similar incident from happening again.

Django x2 · 26 Mar 2015 at 19:38

Jacksonn said:
I just can't imagine being a passenger on the plane.. watching the pilot trying to break the door down and then the 38000ft fast decent.. sod that.

Sorry, have I missed the speculative news article that said it was a fast decent? Oh, yes, that's right, it wasn't. It was a normal, controlled decent.

robgmun · 26 Mar 2015 at 19:39

What a selfish *******, if he wanted to kill himself he should have done it in the privacy of his bathtub and a razor blade. Not murdering 144 people, 16 of them children and 2 babies, hope he roasts in hell. Same ****ing mentally of someone ruining everyone's day by jumping in front of a train

Minstadave · 26 Mar 2015 at 19:39

Skiddley said:
What no passenger intervention? Surely someone could kick the door in, in a few mins?

The doors are bulletproof and designed to resist exactly what you suggest and for a sustained period.

Given that it'll have taken time for panic to set in as the pilot/staff wouldn't have wanted to alarm people at first they didnt have the chance.

Tefal · 26 Mar 2015 at 19:49

JoeF1 said:
Genuine question guys, why the controlled descent? If he was going to do it why program it in? Why not just take control his self. He was apparently calm and breathing normally. What are you thinking, eyes shut and praying? or something.

its an airbus the computer wouldn't let him dop it in anything but a controlled way.

William-Mathew said:
It only takes a split second for a hijacker to get at the controls and put the plane out of control. A pilot would have a hard time getting control back while having a fight with a hijacker

errr not really.

so plane at cruise autopilot on. how would you knock it out of control in a split second?