Airbus A320 Crashes in Alps

PhysicsMan94 said:
I think you know what he means, obviously runways would be excluded (well, runways which are suitable for the plane at least).
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But surely if someone wants to bring a plane down they'll just smash it down hard at an airport potentially causing massive fatalities?

Also the mere concept of software to stop the plane crashing is a whole lot more complicated than you're making it seem. If a plane goes into a steep dive it'll most likely be torn apart long before the autopilot can pull it out of the dive. So do you tell the software to not allow it to dive hard at all? Is it not controlling everything itself now?
 
Monkeymatt said:
But surely if someone wants to bring a plane down they'll just smash it down hard at an airport potentially causing massive fatalities?
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There would have course be systems in place to prevent that from happening too, there's an awful lot you can do with a smart computer system and lots of different sensors.

Monkeymatt said:
Also the mere concept of software to stop the plane crashing is a whole lot more complicated than you're making it seem. If a plane goes into a steep dive it'll most likely be torn apart long before the autopilot can pull it out of the dive. So do you tell the software to not allow it to dive hard at all? Is it not controlling everything itself now?
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Modern airliners already have limits in place which prevent the pilots from putting the plane into a steep dive in non-emergency situations, there is no reason for a pilot to execute a steep dive in a non-stall situation as far as I am aware.
 
Reeve said:
What's to stop one of the pilots incapacitating/killing the other pilot while they're seated and ploughing the plane into the ground at the earliest opportunity?

This kind of scenario is going to be hard to avoid, if someone wants to pull it off, they will.
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It's generally quite hard to beat someone down + keep hitting a door lock button to stop the cabin crew comming in to help
 
muon said:
Some articles are suggested that the person inside the cockpit can block a pin code re-entry into the cockpit. There is probably a good reason for this, but why have that as a feature?
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I'm not entirely sure but I imagine it is to protect against instances where someone who knows the key has essentially been tortured for it by someone who wants access. If you was the pilot still on deck, you'd probably know something was going wrong if it came to that and understandably want to refuse entry.
 
Tefal said:
It's generally quite hard to beat someone down + keep hitting a door lock button to stop the cabin crew comming in to help
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I don't know exactly how this door lock system works but if the other pilot is out cold before they have a chance to react it wouldn't make much difference. They're not going to be expecting the other pilot to attack them the first time they are preoccupied/back is turned. By the time the cabin crew notice something is wrong it would be too late.
 
OldCoals said:
If, emphasis on if, he was depressed I think it would be very unfair to call him a murderer.

It is terrible tragedy for me until there is compelling evidence of it being something else.
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You can still be a murderer if you suffer from depression. It simply adds mitigation to the offence. In some cases, some mental illnesses would mean that the person couldn't be held legally responsible, but those kind of illnesses would have been unlikely in a newly qualified airline pilot...and even then, it would still be unlawful killing and a form of murder.
 
Minstadave said:
Doesn't stop the pilot walloping the hostess. It's unlikely that your average skinny air hostess is going to put up much resistance. If you're determined enough to stick a plane full of people into a mountain is an air hostess going to stop you?
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If someone is that intent on taking a plane down they will. If on the other hand they are suicidal someone else on the cabin won't give them the opportunity and would probably put them off, even before that person started talking to them face to face.

Someone suicidal probably isn't going to be thinking of violence, they probably aren't thinking of anyone in the back of the plane or anyone but themselves. Someone there to remind them physically that they will be killing others would probably make a lot of difference.
 
Castiel said:
You can still be a murderer if you suffer from depression. It simply adds mitigation to the offence. In some cases, some mental illnesses would mean that the person couldn't be held legally responsible, but those kind of illnesses would have been unlikely in a newly qualified airline pilot...and even then, it would still be unlawful killing and a form of murder.
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He could have had a psychotic episode of a depressive nature that may be a reasonable excuse as he can't be deemed rational.

I doubt we'll get any closure though.
 
He was obviously a very damaged individual who decided to kill himself along with hundreds of innocent people, i hate flying anyway but with incidents like this i am absolutely stunned. he should have sorted it out on his own not wiped out hundreds of people and ruined thousands of peoples lives. For guys like him i hope there is a hell and he rots and suffers in it.
 
It was a short flight. The opportunity itself was probably important. The co-pilot couldn't have known the pilot was going to go for a loo break?

So always having someone there may have avoided it.

The question is more about what you do about people intent on killing themselves and killing others for no reason. I guess you just have to live with it, doesn't exactly happen often (if ever) for bus/train drivers etc.
 
JoeF1 said:
Yep, what gossip? Don't want to start searching twitter.
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It's almost certainly rubbish so not worth repeating unless the Daily Mail or a reputable news source picks up on it.

I want to know what, if any, vetting pilots go through before they're allowed to fly a commercial airliner? I know a lot of banks in the UK pay for their employees to be vetted by the government, do UK-based airlines do the same? what about other countries?
 
The killer Alps co-pilot had received long-term psychiatric counselling and may have recently split up with his girlfriend or been in the middle of a 'relationship crisis', it was reported in Germany this morning. Lubitz (pictured, left) slipped through the 'safety net' and should never have been flying, bosses of the budget airline admitted yesterday. As police removed computer equipment and papers from Andreas Lubitz's flat and family home last night (centre), it emerged the 28-year-old fitness fanatic had suffered from depression and 'burnout' which had held up his career. But, incredibly, he later passed all his psychological assessments and was considered fit to fly. Investigators are still at the scene of the crash in the French Alps (right), from where they are recovering the bodies of the 150 people killed.

Daily Mail ^
 
Apparently he was depressed and had a major breakup with his girlfriend. Can't be bothered to search twitter in any more detail.
 
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