Firstly I don't think any cinemas anywhere near here are 4K yet (they would be shouting about it if they were), secondly just because its a certain resolution doesn't make it "HD" when its outputted via a projector (in the same way that a 4K film running full screen on a 22" 1280*1024 CRT wouldn't be 4K) the end result is that the average cinema looks nowhere near as good as a Blu Ray (hell most new films on DVD look better, especially upscaled).
Film vs picture quality.
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Firstly I don't think any cinemas anywhere near here are 4K yet (they would be shouting about it if they were), secondly just because its a certain resolution doesn't make it "HD" when its outputted via a projector (in the same way that a 4K film running full screen on a 22" 1280*1024 CRT wouldn't be 4K) the end result is that the average cinema looks nowhere near as good as a Blu Ray (hell most new films on DVD look better, especially upscaled).
Err....
If you're projecting HD resolution content on a HD projector then it's HD.
If you're projecting 4K resolution content on a 4K projector then it's 4K.
Edit: first hit on Google for "cinema resolution":
http://www.showcasecinemas.co.uk/locations/sony-digital-cinema-4k
"Sony Digital Cinema 4K projection systems have been installed at all Showcase and Showcase Cinema de Lux locations"
Oh look, here's an article from 2012
http://www.screendaily.com/news/vue-completes-roll-out-of-sony-4k-projectors/5045376.article
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Err....
Basically a video at any resolution isn't still at that resolution if it has been downscaled via the use of a projector or a CRT screen. I.E you can play a 4K video on a 1080p monitor but it won't be 4K.
Its the same for projectors/CRT units, they don't have a native resolution just upper limits and you can set them to display the best one, but if it's lower than the source video then that video will not be as good as it's rated for (I.E 4K via a 1080p projector will not be 4K, and won't look as good at 1080p either).
Well, that's pretty obvious, but no one has mentioned cinemas playing 4k content in 1080p projectors, so not quite sure why you brought it up?
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Do you enjoy the downloaded, crap resolution films?
(Before DVD Release / Cam in back of cinema job)
Didn't think so.
But quite a few people are happy watching films of this quality.
Some of the people I know certainly.
That's one end of the scale.
BluRay / High Def is the other end.
So whilst SD is fine for many, quite a few people prefer it looking better.
Some don't mind it looking like someone has draped mud over the screen.
I like my movies to not only have a great story but wow me too
Lord of the rings etc, there is a lot of detail in the background you just wouldn't be able to make out on a lower quality version.
Very dark films, I prefer the blacks being black, not grey/blocky.
(Before DVD Release / Cam in back of cinema job)
Didn't think so.
But quite a few people are happy watching films of this quality.
Some of the people I know certainly.
That's one end of the scale.
BluRay / High Def is the other end.
So whilst SD is fine for many, quite a few people prefer it looking better.
Some don't mind it looking like someone has draped mud over the screen.
I like my movies to not only have a great story but wow me too
Lord of the rings etc, there is a lot of detail in the background you just wouldn't be able to make out on a lower quality version.
Very dark films, I prefer the blacks being black, not grey/blocky.
Because that's what I was referring too, most cinemas do not look HD, because their 1080p projectors beaming onto a 50ft screen looks worse than a DVD upscaled on a 1080p TV, regardless of how good the source material is supposed to be.
Sounds like the cinema you went to remembering this had crushed shadows.
Terminator 84 atmosphere reminds me of Batman 89 with that misty dull greys with specific scenes.
Do you enjoy the downloaded, crap resolution films?
(Before DVD Release / Cam in back of cinema job)
Didn't think so.
But quite a few people are happy watching films of this quality.
Some of the people I know certainly.
That's one end of the scale.
BluRay / High Def is the other end.
So whilst SD is fine for many, quite a few people prefer it looking better.
Some don't mind it looking like someone has draped mud over the screen.
I like my movies to not only have a great story but wow me too
Lord of the rings etc, there is a lot of detail in the background you just wouldn't be able to make out on a lower quality version.
Very dark films, I prefer the blacks being black, not grey/blocky.
Shame they fudged up LOTR EE Blu-Ray. There's green cast through a lot of the film compare to DVD.
It was discussed for years… Let alone some of the sound tweaks they ruined.
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Good work on missing the sites I posted showing that at least 2 of the biggest cinema chains in this country are using 4k projectors, and at least one of those has been for the last 3 years...
Good work on missing the sites I posted showing that at least 2 of the biggest cinema chains in this country are using 4k projectors, and at least one of those has been for the last 3 years...
I didn't they are just not relevant, seriously I'm not trolling you, think about it this way, a 480p video looks okay on a phone but stretched onto a 15" screen it doesn't, likewise 1080p looks great on a 15" screen but not as good on a 6ft wall projector, 4K looks great on a large monitor/TV but not as good on a 50ft cinema projector.
What I'm trying to say is that it doesn't matter if the source is "rated" at 720p, 1080p, 1440p, 4K, etc, by the time it is blown up onto a giant screen it is no longer HD due to the scaling process of projectors.
The image has lost it's distinction it is not high anymore.
This is why a Blu Ray on my five year old 42" 1080p plasma looks better than any cinema in the country, because they are HD in name only.
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The actual quality of an image is basically not the issue here. For years I've said this about lcds, switching from CRT to LCD< or one type of LCD to another. As humans most of what we do is adapt, but it takes time.
If you move from a 60 to 120hz screen, it's undoubtedly better, but it can feel strange for a while, not because it's worse but because you're used to it. After a while you would try the old screen and have that same odd feeling even though you'd been fine with that screen previously.
Moving from my 120hz CRT to a 60hz LCD was horrible but after a few weeks I could barely look at the CRT anymore because I got used to the other screen.
This is where definition comes in. I now hate watching SD because the whole time I look at it... it feels wrong. It's like having on the wrong pair of glasses and it feels like I'm looking at a blurry image.
People are really iffy about 60hz films like the Hobbit, again it IS a better picture quality and if you watched everything in 60hz for a couple weeks it would feel normal and 24/30hz film would now look weird to you. We adapt, and it changes our perceptions. A film doesn't get worse in SD.. but you feel strange watching it, an unease like something isn't right.
I dislike SD now because I'm used to HD, when I get used to 4k I'll find HD feels wrong, when I get a real holodeck... I'll find real women who say no to butt stuff will feel wrong
If you move from a 60 to 120hz screen, it's undoubtedly better, but it can feel strange for a while, not because it's worse but because you're used to it. After a while you would try the old screen and have that same odd feeling even though you'd been fine with that screen previously.
Moving from my 120hz CRT to a 60hz LCD was horrible but after a few weeks I could barely look at the CRT anymore because I got used to the other screen.
This is where definition comes in. I now hate watching SD because the whole time I look at it... it feels wrong. It's like having on the wrong pair of glasses and it feels like I'm looking at a blurry image.
People are really iffy about 60hz films like the Hobbit, again it IS a better picture quality and if you watched everything in 60hz for a couple weeks it would feel normal and 24/30hz film would now look weird to you. We adapt, and it changes our perceptions. A film doesn't get worse in SD.. but you feel strange watching it, an unease like something isn't right.
I dislike SD now because I'm used to HD, when I get used to 4k I'll find HD feels wrong, when I get a real holodeck... I'll find real women who say no to butt stuff will feel wrong
How do you know the cinema you remember never set the correct settings? Lots of people on AVS complain about the way some cinemas have crushed black and/or poor sound in present day.
Let alone you likely wont know what Gamma your TV will be producing. Plus if it's not as dark as you remember, your shadows could be producing 2.1 to 2.0 if it's a lot lighter.
I'm always reading on IMDb that some people are slating a film because something is wrong with the picture when in fact most of the time it's their TV. Or perhaps the player. Or a combination of both.
Godzilla 2014 was another most blamed the mastering when they couldn't see much shadow detail from screwy gamma on their sets to the wrong black setting.
And you're further away from the screen. Think about it, is that pixel really small, or really far away?
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Except it was shot on 35mm so should be watched in HD to at the very least!
On a normal screen it's really small, in a cinema it's really far away, enlarged and blurred. This is the thing, a high definition image that has been manipulated and has lost definition as a result can no longer be considered high definition.
This is why a cinema showing of a film in "HD" looks worse than a DVD of the film on a decent 42" TV, because the TV image hasn't lost it's definition due to manipulation of the image.
A very simple example is that if a virgin loses their virginity they are obviously no longer a virgin, likewise if a high definition image loses it's definition it is no longer HD.
You obviously don't know what on Earth your talking about, so please stop posting, it's hurting my brain
I explained it very simply, sorry if you're having difficulty understanding, try the above analogy instead it's even simpler.