Poll: General election voting poll round 3

Voting intentions in the General Election?

  • Alliance Party of Northern Ireland

    Votes: 2 0.3%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 286 40.5%
  • Democratic Unionist Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 56 7.9%
  • Labour

    Votes: 122 17.3%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 33 4.7%
  • Not voting/will spoil ballot

    Votes: 38 5.4%
  • Other party (not named)

    Votes: 4 0.6%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 5 0.7%
  • Respect Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 29 4.1%
  • Social Democratic and Labour Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 3 0.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 129 18.2%

  • Total voters
    707
  • Poll closed .
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I never said that though did I?

I'm struggling to see how turfing social tenants out of zone 1 achieves anything. Other than maybe you wouldn't have to feel angry that they are living somewhere that other people couldn't afford, but that doesn't make your situation any better.
 
Listening to the radio just now, it seems the Tories have form we can judge them on. Three years ago they extended the generosity of right-to-buy, promising they would ensure one new home built for every extra house sold as a result. 15,000 extra houses have been sold as a result. The number of new houses built? 3,000.

I'm not normally the person to ask for citations. But I am genuinely interested in this point. Can you offer some more detail around this ?
 
I'm not normally the person to ask for citations. But I am genuinely interested in this point. Can you offer some more detail around this ?

I'm afraid my citation on this point is merely Radio 4, stated by the news team rather than any guest.
 
Just out of pure interest. Does the right to buy extend to those without income other than benifits?

How do you expect anyone on merely benefits to buy? The right to buy does extend to those few who rely entirely on benefits but they can't actually buy with it unless they receive additional income.
 
Interesting that the percentage UKIP has dropped well under 16% on this forum now.

Not that it means anything because there is no weighting to the polls so hard to judge between them (maybe all the Kippers are on vacation) but if that was any indication of the real world then UKIP supported must have collapsed.

There was 30% more kippers on ocuk than in the population, now around 12% more.


But as I said fairly meaningless so the kippers shouldn't get their panties in a twist. The national polls hold steady at around 14%.
 
Which would then be passed off to the end consumer making it practically no different to taxing at usage.

Not necessarily, because fuel duty and VAT on fuel could be decreased to offset it some what, now it is the oil companies laying the taxes for destroying the planet rather than the consumers which affects the poorest the hardest since fuel duty is highly regressive.

Putting that aside, the increased taxation can then be used to improve public transport which is more widely used by the poor.


But we have to go much further than that to avoid damaging climate change.
 
Then why did Natalie Bennett make it a key policy for discussion on her Daily Politics? Why did she allow Neil to describe it as a "key policy" and why didn't she just bat aside this first question by saying "it's merely an aspiration and we'll come to that bridge when we come to it"?





LOL, you believe it was "never part of their manifesto" despite Bennett happily taking questions on it in early April?

They ditched it because it was shown their version was intrinsically flawed, not because it was never a major policy....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...-citizens-income-from-election-manifesto.htmlCitizens income is nothing new, the Liberal Democrats had the same idea in their actual manifesto before.b And it has been popular idea in other western countries. A Citizens income can work and has a strong support form leading economists.

If you actually bothered reading the research that criticized the £72 it actually details quite clearly how a lower CI with additional means-tested benefits has many advantages, which is huglighted in teh link you gave if you bothered to read it:

And there we have it, exactly what I said. A Citizen income that incorporates a reduced amount of benefits testing such that non of the poor are worse off but will be better off and we still save a large amount of overheads. So i was right after all, because I actually look in detail at what the Green's say rather than read outdated newspaper headlines.

Strawman.

I never claimed a citizens' income was a bad idea in principle and explicitly stated this in the post you quoted. I merely pointed out that the Green version of it, coupled with their other policies, would make poorer people worse off.

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Because the greens don't talk about short term vote winning policies to try to snatch an election at the last minute, but long term social. Economic and environmental policies that will benefit generations to come rather than see them eke out a living in a dystopian future under runaway climate change.


Citizens income is a key policy for the greens, but it isn't part of their current manifesto. £10 an hour minimum wage is, along with the greens pledge that a form of citizens income will be enacted in the future if they were in power once the details were finalized.

£72 a week is what the current research at the time indicated would work, later research indicated something around £50 a week with a initial set of means-tested benefits would be better. The Greens adapted the current thinking to match the latest research.

So you are wrong again, £72 a week CI is not at all in their manifesto and was never made an offices policy for 2015 election. It never made the cut.
 
Not sure £10/h minimum wage right now would do anything but cause massive upheaval and job loss. While its easier to say rather than live with it I think we should try to look at easing the burden (for people on minimum wage) in other areas in the short term and give the economy another couple of years to stabilise before another change to minimum wage.
 
I still think if labour or conservative get back in to power things are going to get worse. One way or another the working class will be screwed over. More to the point the manifestos released so far are nothing but pure bullpoop and make little sense at all.
 
I just ponder would disillusionment still prevent certain sections from turning out to vote, or would they turn out for this vote?

its not disillusionment its that they don't care.

you could start that party and they wouldn't turn out to vote for you, not because the3 disagree with you but because they pay no attention to anything to do with the elections and so would not even know you existed.
 
The cost of living really just boils down to the fact the housing rental and purchase prices are eye wateringly stupid. Control these and you will stimulate the economy. 1400 to rent a family home or sometimes just a flat is borderline insane. (Outside London). You can't have basic homes at 10-15x the average wage.
 
I still think if labour or conservative get back in to power things are going to get worse. One way or another the working class will be screwed over. More to the point the manifestos released so far are nothing but pure bullpoop and make little sense at all.

But the working classes are not currently getting screwed over.

How are the working classes getting screwed at the moment?
 
Authoritarian is usually applied to social policy. Do you mean the opposite of liberalism, i.e. fiscally left wing?



Comparing to Pol Pot is going a bit far - they want to renationalise the NHS and railways, not impose agrarian socialism! :p

I mean they are significantly more economically authoritarian (state breaching property rights and controlling a greater proportion of the economy) than the other parties, and you can't be socially free when you don't control your own resources sufficiently. They use taxation instead of laws to create the illusion of being a socially liberal party, but the reality is that it leads to the same old authoritarian left but with a middle man so to speak that roots the state monopoly on the use of force through a taxation filter (and so you punish people by either taking their property or fining/jailing them for not handing over their property, rather than directly for transgressions of the party social policies).
 
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