Poll: General election voting poll round 3

[Freakbro]

If you get Labour you get the SNP running the show

And your skewed logic for that is......?

I guess in the same way the minority Lib Dems have run the show for the last 5 years

Oh, wait....

 

[scorza]

I wasn't aware that the British Broadcasting Company was English :S

You're aware that the BBC supports regional broadcasting aren't you? There's a BBC Wales and a BBC Scotland, so why can't these regions have their own debate? Just seems a bit pointless having two leaders involved in the debating when 80% of the population can't vote for their parties, just denies airtime to the leaders of parties we can vote for.

 

[ubersonic]

You're aware that the BBC supports regional broadcasting aren't you? There's a BBC Wales and a BBC Scotland, so why can't these regions have their own debate? Just seems a bit pointless having two leaders involved in the debating when 80% of the population can't vote for their parties, just denies airtime to the leaders of parties we can vote for.

Because these are not Welsh/Scottish/English elections they are UK elections. The SNP are predicted to get more seats than UKIP/Greens combined so are very deserving of their spot.

Do you really think it's fair to force Miliband/Farage/Clegg to have the same debate three times in three regions?

 

[elmarko]

You're aware that the BBC supports regional broadcasting aren't you? There's a BBC Wales and a BBC Scotland, so why can't these regions have their own debate? Just seems a bit pointless having two leaders involved in the debating when 80% of the population can't vote for their parties, just denies airtime to the leaders of parties we can vote for.

This kind of attitude is why I imagine they want independence from us.

 

[eatcustard]

And your skewed logic for that is......?

I guess in the same way the minority Lib Dems have run the show for the last 5 years

Oh, wait....

Not at all skewed logic, Labour will need the `SNP to run government, so the SNP will want a big slice of cake.

SNP want rid of Trident, Labour dont, so SNP will simply say you get Trident we get big spending in Scotland and another Independence vote.

Simple really, the SNP are the really king makers and the English will suffer big time.

 

[eatcustard]

Found this, interesting read "Dave's EU deceit is staring us in the face - and we still miss it"

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co...ring-us-in-the-face-and-we-still-miss-it.html

 

[robgmun]

Without Cameron and Clegg in the mix, i expect Farage to dominate and have stright up clashes with Milliband and Nicola Sturgeon

Natalie Bennett and Leanne Wood are going to barely register

 

[Freakbro]

Not at all skewed logic, Labour will need the `SNP to run government, so the SNP will want a big slice of cake.

SNP want rid of Trident, Labour dont, so SNP will simply say you get Trident we get big spending in Scotland and another Independence vote.

Simple really, the SNP are the really king makers and the English will suffer big time.

But the Tories needed the Lib Dems to run government in exactly the same way.

Didn't mean the Lib Dems got all their policies in or run the show...as they are the minority part of the coalition, so they got the minority share of power. Just as the SNP would get if it turned out a Lab/SNP coalition.

 

[ubersonic]

Simple really, the SNP are the really king makers and the English will suffer big time.

I have to be honest here, I do not believe that Miliband would deal with the SNP, irregardless of what the media say. He has seen what the deal with the Tories did to the Lib Dems and Clegg, he knows the Tories are more liked in England than the SNP. He has many failings but he is an idealist, I don't believe killing his party just so he can be PM for five years is in his nature.

 

[scorza]

Because these are not Welsh/Scottish/English elections they are UK elections. The SNP are predicted to get more seats than UKIP/Greens combined so are very deserving of their spot.

Do you really think it's fair to force Miliband/Farage/Clegg to have the same debate three times in three regions?

Both Scotland and Wales have devolved authorities, I don't see why they can't have their own devolved debates as well. The SNP are contesting mainly against the Scottish Labour Party, Sturgeon should be debating against the leader of the SLP, Jim Murphy. Of course she doesn't want to do this because SNP vs Westminster suits her narrative very well - we've been extremely naive again in pandering to the SNP because it gives them an unfair advantage.

This kind of attitude is why I imagine they want independence from us.

Except they don't want indepenendece from us, there was a referendum last year in Scotland and they said No.

There is literally nothing Nicola Sturgeon or Leanne Wood can say that would result in me voting for them, because neither of their parties are contesting any English constituencies, and I live in England.

 

[Danthus]

Simple really, the SNP are the really king makers and the English will suffer big time.

If Labour get 300 seats and the Lib Dems get their projected 30 seats then the SNP are out of the picture.

 

[scorza]

SNP want rid of Trident, Labour dont, so SNP will simply say you get Trident we get big spending in Scotland and another Independence vote.

In which case Labour just say 'we get Trident, no increased spending in Scotland and no new referendum on independence, if you don't accept this then you accept a Conservive government and end up with Trident, spending cuts and no new referendum on independence.'

Jeez - I wish everyone was a big a walk-over as you

 

[ubersonic]

Both Scotland and Wales have devolved authorities

Yes but not independence, devolution simply means that less of the decisions taken in Westminster will directly affect Wales/Scotland but most still will.

This is not an election for the Welsh assembly or Scottish parliament, it is an election for the UK parliament in Westminster, we are choosing a candidate from our area to represent our interests there.

If the SNP and PC shouldn't be there then then UKIP and the Greens shouldn't either as they have less seats, so the debate would just be Miliband/Clegg whining at each other.

 

[eatcustard]

I have to be honest here, I do not believe that Miliband would deal with the SNP, irregardless of what the media say. He has seen what the deal with the Tories did to the Lib Dems and Clegg, he knows the Tories are more liked in England than the SNP. He has many failings but he is an idealist, I don't believe killing his party just so he can be PM for five years is in his nature.

Her stabbed his brother in the back, he will do deals with them, probably a vote for vote deal.

 

[scorza]

Yes but not independence, devolution simply means that less of the decisions taken in Westminster will directly affect Wales/Scotland but most still will.

This is not an election for the Welsh assembly or Scottish parliament, it is an election for the UK parliament in Westminster, we are choosing a candidate from our area to represent our interests there.

If the SNP and PC shouldn't be there then then UKIP and the Greens shouldn't either as they have less seats, so the debate would just be Miliband/Clegg whining at each other.

To correct you on a couple of things; Clegg isn't allowed to attend tonight's debate, he isn't in opposition. No parties have any seats at the moment as parliament has been dissolved.

The fact is neither the SNP or Plaid are UK parties - they're local parties standing exclusively in one particular region of the UK. These are TV debates and the intended audience has to be considered and if the audience is 80% outside of where a party is standing then I say that party is irrelevant to the debate. Why weren't the DUP or Sinn Fein IRA invited to tonight's debate or the previous debate? A line has to be drawn somewhere.

 

[joeyjojo]

If Labour get 300 seats and the Lib Dems get their projected 30 seats then the SNP are out of the picture.

Which forecasts are you talking about? The SNP are predicted 42-54 seats, the Lib Dems 22-28.

http://may2015.com/category/seat-calculator/

I think it was Warren Buffet who said that foreign aid is taking money from poor people in rich countries and giving it to rich people in poor countries. It's a disgrace that the foreign aid budget has been protected from spending cuts when austerity has done so much damage to vulnerable people in this country.

Sounds like something Buffet would say - ignorant and catchy. From a quick search it seems the UN estimated that 30% of foreign aid is lost to corruption. That's not great, but clearly Buffet (or whoever) is exaggerating.

Reducing aid as UKIP is suggesting is the same as saying "screw it, foreign aid has failed, good luck 1.3 billion people still in poverty, we got 660 million out of poverty but some of the money was wasted on the way so we're giving up completely".

Aid should be maintained or increased while making it more targeted, which is exactly what the UN are doing.

 

[ubersonic]

Clegg isn't allowed to attend tonight's debate, he isn't in opposition.

So basically it would just be miliband arguing in an empty room? (it's a joke, I know there's an audience).

The fact is neither the SNP or Plaid are UK parties - they're local parties standing exclusively in one particular region of the UK.

True, but they are still standing in the UK elections, and are bigger than Greens/UKIP. In fact if you mark them on % of seats contested/won I think they are more successful than the LibDems too?

These are TV debates and the intended audience has to be considered and if the audience is 80% outside of where a party is standing then I say that party is irrelevant to the debate.

The BNP field candidates in more constituencies than SNP/PC, should they be invited instead? of course they don't win as many constituencies as SNP/PC but then neither do Greens/UKIP...

Why weren't the DUP or Sinn Fein IRA invited to tonight's debate or the previous debate?

The broadcasters refused to invite them, something they complained about at the time (as DUP are bigger than UKIP too).

 

[LateX'Dog]

Wow a lot of people on here who hate the poor, young and disabled. I shouldn't be shocked by the amount of conservative voters, but for some reason I am.

 

[Uther]

Millibands in an awkward place right now isn't he. He wants a majority which he won't get, but can he risk tearing in to the SNP too much when it's more than likely he will have to go to them cap in hand for support to form a government!

 

[Freefaller]

I still cannot choose. The positions I hold seem to cover Conservative and Labour equally :/